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I'm considering responding to a letter to the editor in our local rag. I've worked up a draft, but if anyone sees any errors, misguided thoughts, or even style problems, I'd sure appreciate your comments. It's a bit long for a letter to the editor, so I'll have to hack it up a bit.

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Those who accept the theory of evolution say it is a fact. They say if we accept that genes change over time, we’ve already accepted the theory of evolution. The problem is that they do not clearly define their terms and they do not understand where observable science ends and their own faith (in evolution) begins. They use bullying arguments, implying that not accepting convention means you’re a Kool-Aid drinking moonbat.

First, the whole notion of using science to explore origins (of the universe, life and the many forms of life) is more akin to forensic theory than scientific theory, and does not lend itself well to the scientific method. After all, we cannot fashion an experiment to re-create the universe, or life from nonlife. Our origin is a matter of the distant past, and the scientific method is geared to exploring the world as it presently operates. Some call this the distinction between origin science and operational science.

Anyway, genes change over time. Okay. No problem. But does that necessarily mean that all living things have a common ancestor that came to life when lightning struck billions of years ago? That’s where observable science ends and faith begins. Observable science demonstrates that species vary within limits via natural selection or manipulation. Over countless generations, we can observe fruit flies turning into some variation of . . . . . . a fruit fly. Finches, finches. Dogs, dogs. We will never manipulate tomatoes to be the size of a house or fruit flies to be resistant to sledge hammers. In the end, we only observe variation within very finite limits. To take observable evolution (microevolution), which is undisputed, and then argue that this is evidence of common ancestry (macroevolution) takes a leap of faith -- a leap from the observable to the unobservable. I say it takes more faith to believe in common ancestry and abiogenesis (life randomly forming from nonlife) than it does to believe in a Creator.

Darwinian evolution found legs because Darwin never fathomed that a single cell is more complex than the space shuttle or that 150 years of archeology would yield less transitional fossils rather than more. Darwin even acknowledged that the incremental, gradual changes of natural selection would not likely cause something as complex as the eye to form, as hundreds of simultaneous mutations would be necessary. He either believed in the face of the apparently impossible or he hoped that someone might pick up that ball and run with it -- either way, he was wrong. It turns out that, just as a Kindergartner can look at Mount Rushmore and conclude that it was formed by design and not chance, honest scientists can look at the eye and make the same conclusion. Evolution cannot begin to explain the origin of the eye.

So why has Darwinian evolution been the convention for the last 150 years? I believe there is an element that we as a society find attractive an idea that rules out our Creator. But even more so, ivory tower scientists will not accept a supernatural explanation for the origin of the universe or the life in it. They miss the point that the philosophy of naturalism is a reasonable limitation upon operational science -- not so much in origin science.

No one disputes evolutionary theory as it relates to observable variations. The theory has proven useful with medicine and genetics. We do dispute extrapolating the observable scientific facts (variation within limits) to the conclusion of common ancestry and abiogenesis without acknowledging that you’ve left the realm of science and entered the realm of storytelling. I guess it's fine to tell the story of the monkey’s transition to man -- just don’t call it science, don’t make the story immune from criticism, and don’t teach it to my children with my tax dollars. Or, at least, have the honesty to teach it along with the other, and even more popular, creation account.
 

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As a non-scientific thinking individual I can say your letter kept my interest. Although it doesn't focus much on what the Bible actually says, in this case it's probably best not to and appeal to common sense instead. The only change I would make, and this is a pet peave of mine, is change all references of micro-evolution to adaptation. I think we need to isolate the term evolution to what most people think it means and keep it away from something that really isn't evolution as we know it. Let's face it all we really know about is adaptation, not evolution.

BTW, what paper will this be published in. It would be interesting to see the responses. I commend you in taking a stand and making a difference.
 
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As a non-scientific thinking individual I can say your letter kept my interest. Although it doesn't focus much on what the Bible actually says, in this case it's probably best not to and appeal to common sense instead. The only change I would make, and this is a pet peave of mine, is change all references of micro-evolution to adaptation. I think we need to isolate the term evolution to what most people think it means and keep it away from something that really isn't evolution as we know it. Let's face it all we really know about is adaptation, not evolution.

BTW, what paper will this be published in. It would be interesting to see the responses. I commend you in taking a stand and making a difference.
Yeah, not any scripture. I don't think that would sell to the audience. Really, its more of an intellegent design apology than a case for any particular creation account. If I were to go down the road of YEC in a newspaper, I'd be immediately tuned out or marginalized. I believe the logical process of changing one's mind is to first debuk evolution and build up ID. Then we can focus on YEC v. OEC v. etc.

Thanks for the input. If I do send this for publication, it will be in the www.timesreporter.com. Yesterday's letter to teh editor, http://www.timesreporter.com/archive/index.php?ID=59954&r=3&Category=6, sparked my interest in responding.
 
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Just one comment -- usually letters to the editor have a lot better chance at being published if they refer to a particular article (or letter to the editor in response to an article). Just being on a particular topic doesn't usually make the cut. It helps to reference something in the article or letter you are responding to directly.
 
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I'm considering responding to a letter to the editor in our local rag. I've worked up a draft, but if anyone sees any errors, misguided thoughts, or even style problems, I'd sure appreciate your comments. It's a bit long for a letter to the editor, so I'll have to hack it up a bit.

Here goes.


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Darwinian evolution found legs because Darwin never fathomed that a single cell is more complex than the space shuttle or that 150 years of archeology would yield less transitional fossils rather than more. Darwin even acknowledged that the incremental, gradual changes of natural selection would not likely cause something as complex as the eye to form, as hundreds of simultaneous mutations would be necessary. He either believed in the face of the apparently impossible or he hoped that someone might pick up that ball and run with it -- either way, he was wrong. It turns out that, just as a Kindergartner can look at Mount Rushmore and conclude that it was formed by design and not chance, honest scientists can look at the eye and make the same conclusion. Evolution cannot begin to explain the origin of the eye.

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Where you say "archaeology" you should rather use the word, "paleontology." Archaeology is the study of HUMAN artifacts. Paleontology is the study of fossils.
 
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I would have pointed out the evolution is defined scientifically as the change of alleles in populations over time. On the other hand Darwinian thinking assumes that everything is traced back to a single common ancestor. The real way to put this evolution/controversy to bed is for schools to teach science rather then suppostion.

I have yet to hear a creationist complain about Mendelian genetics and yet it's the cornerstone of modern evolutionary biology. It's not the science that Christians object to it's the supposition. I would also mention the fact that in order for us to have evolved from apes the cranial capacity had to triple. To date all modern genetics and evolutionary biology comes up with is speculation about how it might have happened.

You mentioned the eye and even Darwin admitted that natural selection does not explain anything that intricate, which is good. The opening statement about people who state evolution say it's a fact doesn't say enough about who and why. I would contrast evolution as a theory of origins and natural history with the real world science of evolution as the change of alleles.

Again it's not the science that's the problem it's the supposition. I would also caution against starting a paragraph out with 'anyway', it sounds like you just dimissed your previous statement instead of building on it.

Not a bad letter to the editor but don't count on seeing it in print. They are mostly oriented toward current events and Creation and evolution are intellectual questions.
 
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