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Did you forget that Jesus could have been King over all the nations of the earth and declined? It was a satanic offer, one that Jesus did not succumb to. -

And another time Jesus said "My Kingdom is not of this world"

We are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, in HIS Kingdom which is not of this world.

Pointing out the errors of those who couldn't understand that simple fact doesn't make the doing any less wrong, it's still a satanic offer, one that all who belong to Christ should decline to succumb to.

We live in the world, without being of this world.

Read 1 Corinthians 5:12-13.. leave the world to the world, and the church to its own people... we are light and salt, not rulers over them.

The Hebrew word for spirit is ruach, which means “wind, breath, air, spirit.” It's a point that shouldn't be forgotten.
 
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This is no longer in a debate forum so I cannot debate this with you. However, I can answer your questions. You asked whether the witch executions were God’s will. According to the mindset of the 1500/1600s they were. You can’t impose a 20th century mindset on 16th century people. If you will read the books I suggested you will learn that it was a theocracy.
 
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Again, how do we know you are God's vessel and what you say is passed down from Him? See, I'm a Christian. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I need no intermediary.

What you are suggesting is simply not biblical.
 
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Again, how do we know you are God's vessel and what you say is passed down from Him? See, I'm a Christian. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I need no intermediary.

What you are suggesting is simply not biblical.
I used to think that God was far away and didn't care about the small stuff in life. Here is a glimps of living in the spirit, I have so much more to go but this is a clue....I took my boy out to taco bell for a soft taco and nacho fries but I had to get gas. They were next door to each other, the gas station was first. The logical thing to do is to listen to man's wisdom to go to the gas station first the since there is a lot of traffic to hit the taco bell next. God said to go to taco bell first. So I did. While inside a man in his late 20's early 30's came in with like a pregnant 16 year old. She was dressed in raggedy clothes so I instantly thought she was a trafficking victim. So I prayed if God wanted me to report it. He said no. So I prayed for them. It was all he wanted me to do and that was why he wanted me to go to taco bell first. Then as I was leaving in prayed if God wanted me to go to the Arco which was next store. He said no. So I went on a five minute car drive to the next one. I was able to give gospel tracts to two different people at that gas station and pray for a small family. So God WILL DIRECT every single step if we simply ask Him.
 
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So then why is His kingdom coming in the future? Why does He ask us to pray every singe day for His Kingdom to come? It was not that God's kingdom on earth was a satanic offer it was that satan was offering Jesus Satan's kingdom instead of fulfIllinois the prophecY to be a suffering servant satan was trying to avoid the cross and avoid the mass saving of mankind through the gospel. Its easier to get Jesus side tracked with having a kingdom than to have Him save mankind. But Jesus would have that very kingdom, it's just that He would do it God's way not Satan's way.
 
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But I didn't ask if witch burnings were a 16th century christians will, I asked if they were the true God's will. And the answer is no. So they disqualify the theocracy with that one act. The fruit of the spirit is "peace patience gentleness, self control, love." I can't find a fruit of the spirit as being "kill those you disagree with." That's as far from God's word as you can Get and the original etymology of theocracy is one that is governed by the True God. And they were far from doing God's will.
 
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You do realize that this thread is no longer in a debate forum, don’t you? I’ve been limiting my responses to answering your (the OPs) questions. It sounds like you are debating.
 
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You do realize that this thread is no longer in a debate forum, don’t you? I’ve been limiting my responses to answering your (the OPs) questions. It sounds like you are debating.
Asking questions is not debate. Responding to questions is not debate. But fighting is what they want to avoid.
 
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Asking questions is not debate. Responding to questions is not debate. But fighting is what they want to avoid.
I responded to your earlier question by providing an answer. You replied by saying that my answer was wrong. You weren’t responding to my question because I didn’t ask one, nor did you ask me another question. What you are attempting to do is debate. If you want to debate I suggest you start a new thread in discussion and debate or that you pm me.
 
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just because I disagree does not mean I am debating. Again asking questions and replying to questions is not debating. Moderators know people are different and are not all the same, that is why we come here to talk about it. The purpose of a non debate area is that fighting is not allowed. It's technically not allowed anyhwere. But all the more here, in the non debate forum. So I hope that helps. Just keep your cool, don't insult, don't mock. Don't belittle, don't make fun of others different than yourself. Again asking questions, and replying to them is not debate but mocking others is debate.
 
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Again, you neither asked a question nor did you reply to a question because I didn’t ask you a question. All I did was reply to one of your questions. Disagreeing is debating. Now, if you want to ask me a question I will be happy to answer it.
 
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sorry sir, I think you are just trying to get me in trouble so I will be blocking you, no offense, if you want to talk more about this, just message me I would love to talk more! God Bless you bro!
 
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again FYI guys disagreeing is not debating, asking questions is not debating, answering questions is not debating. The debating they don't want is simply being rude and not nice. So we can talk about stuff, we just can't fight about it. But granted if no one wants to talk any more I am ok either way I feel we have made tremendous progress and answered many misconceptions regarding what makes up a theocracy and alleged theocracies. So thanks everyone for talking!
 
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Good story, but you did not answer my question.
 
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Good story, but you did not answer my question.
I believe I did answer your question. You asked " how do you know your God's vessel." I shared how I pray over everything including this thread and God told me to make the thread. So there is only one conclusion. See, Theocracies don't exist, so it's not beneficial to create a thread in order to NOT MAKE IT EXIST, as that is the case already. The only logical conclusion is that it is God's will to bring up this topic to work through misconceptions for the purpose of making a theocracy sometime in the future, it could be the one I am hypothetically creating, or it could be His own. I don't know yet. That part is unclear. But I know God is honored in bringing up a theocracy, so that we can work through some of it. but yeah, I prayed and God told me to make this thread. So God has opened the door, and I went through. That is how you know you are God's vessel. It is very clear as to realizing I am or I am not God's vessel. Simply tell me NOT TO CREATE the thread would be the most straight forward way to reveal now is the wrong time. But He said yes. So to me that is confirmation as to His will regarding this. That does not mean I will be the president, I simply put myself as the president hypothetically speaking in the OP. I do feel God desires more of His laws to be enacted. I feel God hears the cries of the daughters that are trafficked, and those of the babies being killed in the womb, thousands a day. All these injustices and all their cries rise up to God every day. He could very well be doing something just as unconventional as a theocracy.
 
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That answers why you believe you are his vessel. It doesn't answer why we should believe that. It is quite possible that your belief is wrong. We have no way of knowing. As such, we could not put our trust in you. It is possible that God had you create this thread so that you could understand the reasons it is a bad idea.
 
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Let me put it this way....have you asked your pastor what you have asked me? Have you asked your pastor to prove to you that He is God's vessel? I am just curious. My response would be no you haven't, obviously. Because you are asking someone to do the impossible. And neither can I prove that I am God's vessel TO YOU. So if you don't believe me that is ok, I guess your pastor isn't God's vessel either. So good luck finding a new church with a pastor that can prove He is God's vessel. I guess if you can find someone who can prove that, then maybe we can recruit them also for the task of leading this theocracy (because he would have done for you something that I could not do). Until then I guess you just have me.... -Agreed?
 
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But that's the thing. My pastor leads my church. You want to lead the nation. You want to make policy decisions that will change the world. Policy decisions you have no experience with or concept of. That's not the same thing as leading a church body. You want hundreds of millions to put their faith in you, not God. When you ask someone to trust that you are God's vessel and trust that you are correctly deciphering the Word of God and will tell them what He says, you are asking them to put faith in you... a human.

Surely, you can see how THAT is not biblical.
 
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But that's the thing. My pastor leads my church.
but you DON'T KNOW THAT HE IS GOD'S VESSEL, THAT IS THE POINT. But you have faith that He is God's chosen vessel for your congregation. Without proof.
You want to lead the nation.
so what is the difference? Honestly. God says that if you are faithful with a few you will be leader over many. Mathew 25:23. so pretty please find one pastor that IS A PROVEN VESSEL OF GOD. Then we will make Him ruler over the nation. I will wait for you. If you can't find just one in all the world. Then you must admit that you were asking of an impossible thing, and that it should never have been a requirement. Again I will wait for all of this. Thanks for the debate I appreciate your willingness to debate politely and to take all this seriously without mocking it.
 
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