Let's "othercott" Da Vinci

[Cajun Huguenot]

I have to work (12 hour shift-nights) this weekend, but I am making arrangements for my children to see Over The Hedge.

Kenith

 

[HamletsChoice]

I have to work (12 hour shift-nights) this weekend, but I am making arrangements for my children to see Over The Hedge.

Kenith

I and my family are with you!

 

[McWilliams]

Really a great plan! I hope all the kids are educated as to why this movie has been determined by christians to be unacceptable! They all get so much input from their peers and need to know the 'whys'!

http://www.biblebb.com/files/davinci.htm

 

[AndOne]

My wife and I plan on seeing Flight 93 this weekend - absolutely will never watch DaVince Code. I heard its getting bombed by reviewers - good news to my ears....

 

[arunma]

Well, I realize I'm in the minority here. But tomorrow I'm going to see the Da Vinci Code (and I'm planning on reading the book in the near future). I have a couple of reasons for doing so. First, if I am to refute Dan Brown's falsehoods about our Lord Jesus Christ, I first need to know precisely what he is saying. Secondly, I'm seeing this movie with a couple of unbelievers, as well as a very new Christian. The subject of Jesus Christ is very rarely a discussion topic for any of these three people (even the new professing Christian), and I'm hoping that this film will inspire them to consider the Gospel.

The story of Joseph comes to mind here. When he was wrongly sold into Egyptian slavery, God did not simply bring some good out of a bad situation. On the contrary, God had ordained this wrong to happen to him, because God meant it for good. Likewise, it seems to me that although the Da Vinci Code is blasphemy of the worst kind, God means this for good as well. It says in God's word:

Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former proclaim Christ out of rivalry, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice. (Philippians 1:15-18)
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Therefore, let us also rejoice that one way or another, Christ is again on the front pages of newspapers and magazines. The Da Vinci Code is just another reason for us to talk about Christ, and I think we can use this to advance the Gospel.

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

Well, I realize I'm in the minority here. But tomorrow I'm going to see the Da Vinci Code (and I'm planning on reading the book in the near future). I have a couple of reasons for doing so. First, if I am to refute Dan Brown's falsehoods about our Lord Jesus Christ, I first need to know precisely what he is saying. Secondly, I'm seeing this movie with a couple of unbelievers, as well as a very new Christian. The subject of Jesus Christ is very rarely a discussion topic for any of these three people (even the new professing Christian), and I'm hoping that this film will inspire them to consider the Gospel.


The story of Joseph comes to mind here. When he was wrongly sold into Egyptian slavery, God did not simply bring some good out of a bad situation. On the contrary, God had ordained this wrong to happen to him, because God meant it for good. Likewise, it seems to me that although the Da Vinci Code is blasphemy of the worst kind, God means this for good as well. It says in God's word:

Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former proclaim Christ out of rivalry, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice. (Philippians 1:15-18)

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Therefore, let us also rejoice that one way or another, Christ is again on the front pages of newspapers and magazines. The Da Vinci Code is just another reason for us to talk about Christ, and I think we can use this to advance the Gospel.

I read the book (I seldom read modern fiction) because of all the hoopla over it. It is anti-Christian, pro-pagan, pro-goddess worship propaganda packaged in an ok conspiracy theory thriller.

Like you I wanted to know what Brown wrote so I could speak with those who were wondering if it were true. I don't plan to see the movie. Movies are seldom as good as books. I would hope that Christians who do see the movie will do so after it leaves the big screen.

I do think boycotts and protest are counter productive, but I love the idea of the "othercott."

Coram Deo,
Kenith

 

[McWilliams]

Employees of the United States Mint who recognize counterfeit when they see it are never taught the details of the counterfeit money. They are taught exactly what the real money looks like and its qualities and they then know exactly when they encounter something false. I dont need to personally contaminate myself with the details of evil to recognize it but when I spend time knowing Christ and the gospel I then know when something is false! Seeing the movie and/or reading the book only serves to promote it, support it! The time and effort you would spend involving yourself knowing more of the sick plot would be better spent reading the bible and coming to better know our Savior! The bible tells us to preach the gospel to every creature. It doesnt tell us to immerse ourself in sin before telling the details of the cross! Those who are saying they're seeing the movie just to promote the gospel are fooling themselves in a most dangerous manner! The bible says to be separated from the very appearance of evil!!

 

[HamletsChoice]

I read the book (I seldom read modern fiction) because of all the hoopla over it. It is anti-Christian, pro-pagan, pro-goddess worship propaganda packaged in an ok conspiracy theory thriller.

Like you I wanted to know what Brown wrote so I could speak with those who were wondering if it were true. I don't plan to see the movie. Movies are seldom as good as books. I would hope that Christians who do see the movie will do so after it leaves the big screen.

I do think boycotts and protest are counter productive, but I love the idea of the "othercott."

Coram Deo,
Kenith

I weighed both options expressed here very carefully over the past couple of months and ended up agreeing with a boycott. The main reason is that the blasphamies are so well publicized that you don't even need to read the book to refute them, never mind support the movie.

I wouldn't even support buying the book. Buy and support a great Christian book instead that refutes the blasphamies point by point, that way you won't help Brown and will help Christians.

 

[Yodas_Prodigy]

Well, I realize I'm in the minority here. But tomorrow I'm going to see the Da Vinci Code (and I'm planning on reading the book in the near future). I have a couple of reasons for doing so. First, if I am to refute Dan Brown's falsehoods about our Lord Jesus Christ, I first need to know precisely what he is saying. Secondly, I'm seeing this movie with a couple of unbelievers, as well as a very new Christian. The subject of Jesus Christ is very rarely a discussion topic for any of these three people (even the new professing Christian), and I'm hoping that this film will inspire them to consider the Gospel.

The story of Joseph comes to mind here. When he was wrongly sold into Egyptian slavery, God did not simply bring some good out of a bad situation. On the contrary, God had ordained this wrong to happen to him, because God meant it for good. Likewise, it seems to me that although the Da Vinci Code is blasphemy of the worst kind, God means this for good as well. It says in God's word:

Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former proclaim Christ out of rivalry, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice. (Philippians 1:15-18)
​

Therefore, let us also rejoice that one way or another, Christ is again on the front pages of newspapers and magazines. The Da Vinci Code is just another reason for us to talk about Christ, and I think we can use this to advance the Gospel.

I saw the movie today. I can see the lure as far as an exciting story. Obviously the Gnostic influence will give some justification for not going to Church.

It is amazing how people will believe a lie that is even proven a lie by the secular press.

Peace,

VW777

 

[arunma]

I saw the movie today. I can see the lure as far as an exciting story. Obviously the Gnostic influence will give some justification for not going to Church.

It is amazing how people will believe a lie that is even proven a lie by the secular press.

Peace,

VW777

It seems to me that the public loves a scandal more than the facts. That's very unfortunate, but it is a testimony to man's depravity.

 

[cubanito]

Saw "Over the Hedge" w my 9yo and was pleased. A lot of kid movies these days bring in New Age themes (Brother Bear, Fern Gully) and blatant politics, especially Ecoterrorism. This movie seemed free of most of that. It was also very funny, though Ice Age 2 I thought was even funnier.

JR

 

[cubanito]

If u want an adult film that is both superb, honest and truthful, go see Andy Garcia's "Lost City". The fact that it took him 16 years to make it because no one in Holyweird would give it a chance tells you something. It is a work from the hear, by someone like me who lived it

JR

 

[arunma]

Well, I ended up seeing The Da Vinci Code yesterday. It was a great story, and I genuinely enjoyed it as a work of fiction. At the same time, it undermined Christian doctrine and taught false history. A case in point: the Nicene Council had nothing to do with the formation of the Biblical canon, though the movie would lead one to believe otherwise. Dan Brown seems to think that the Biblical canon was formed by a committee. This, of course, is false. The closest thing I can think of is the Councils of Hippo and Carthage, neither of which was an ecumenical council. Perhaps Brown should have claimed that all of his facts were fabricated. But because he says that the facts behind the story are genuine, people are led astray into believing all of this.

Maybe I'm just "seeing what I want to see" (as the movie says), but it seems to me that The Da Vinci Code and other revisionist histories ultimately target one Christian doctrine in particular. It isn't the deity of Christ, the crucifixion, or the resurrection. Among unbelievers, the most hated of Christian doctrines is our belief in the condemnation of unbelievers. To unbelievers, perhaps the other fundamentals of the faith are merely peripherals; they are issues which are attacked in order to ultimately destroy our belief in exclusive salvation through faith in Christ.

After all, if the early church distorted the true message of Christ, then the next logical question we should ask is: which portions of the New Testament genuinely reproduce the doctrines taught by Christ, and which portions are false? If we were to hand a Greek New Testament over to a conspiracy theorist, and ask him to indicate which parts are true and which are false, my guess is that when we received the text again, every verse which contains the word gehenna would be deleted. It seems to me that we are misunderstanding the conspiracy theorists' agenda if we think that they mean to undermine the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith.

An unbeliever couldn't care less about whether Christ was born of a virgin, or whether his body was literally resurrected from death. But on the off chance that Christ's words are true, the unbeliever wants to feel safe from the fire of hell. Because the letters of the Apostles contain almost no mentions of hell, it is the teachings of Christ himself that must be undermined. But far be it from the universalist to attack Christ personally! He may not be the Son of God, but he is surely a "good moral teacher" (because all widely revered religious figures are accorded this status), and must thus be respected. So rather than attack the teachings of Christ, it is better to claim that Christ never taught what is recorded in the Gospel, hence the attack on the early church. Ultimately, we are left with a Christ who calls unbelievers children of God, and who condemns no one. I suppose that if I were an unbeliever, I would feel more comfortable with this version of Christ.

Well anyway, I'm glad I saw this movie. The entertainment value alone was worth the $7, and it's given me valuable information about a false conspiracy theory that has gripped millions of people around the world.

 

[McWilliams]

Actually, even the devil believes that Christ was born of a virgin! Intellectual assent is not what Jesus is referring to when He says we must 'believe'.
He clearly tells us: "I am the way, the truth and the life. NO man comes to the father but by me!" He rejected many who knew He was born of a virgin because He knew their heart, that they had no committment to Him and no intent to obey His commands. One who is a believer follows Christ, lives for Him, reads and knows His words of scripture!
When knowing Him well as Savior, redeemer and Lord of our life we know right off what is real, what is fake or counterfeit!
"Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven but he who does the will of my Father
which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Matthew 7:16
I find all these words both entertaining, free and they bring peace and joy to my heart! What do they cost me? Everything, my life! What do I get in return? Eternity with Him! Glorious day! Soli deo gloria!!

 

[edie19]

Employees of the United States Mint who recognize counterfeit when they see it are never taught the details of the counterfeit money. They are taught exactly what the real money looks like and its qualities and they then know exactly when they encounter something false. I dont need to personally contaminate myself with the details of evil to recognize it but when I spend time knowing Christ and the gospel I then know when something is false! Seeing the movie and/or reading the book only serves to promote it, support it! The time and effort you would spend involving yourself knowing more of the sick plot would be better spent reading the bible and coming to better know our Savior! The bible tells us to preach the gospel to every creature. It doesnt tell us to immerse ourself in sin before telling the details of the cross! Those who are saying they're seeing the movie just to promote the gospel are fooling themselves in a most dangerous manner! The bible says to be separated from the very appearance of evil!!

As the daughter of a banker, I learned early on to take embezzlement and counterfitting very seriously (no jokes on those subjects at my house!!). Anyhow, great analogy McWilliams - explains your point perfectly.

Sort of like Justice Potter Stewart when he said that pornography may be hard to define, but he knows it when he sees it. I know heresy when I see it and don't need additonal exposure to said heresy in order to better defend against it.

edie