Agreed. Which methods are NOT limited to within the reality?
And how did you get to presuppose a "maker" of said reality, anyway?
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Agreed. Which methods are NOT limited to within the reality?If you exist within a certain reality, you shouldn't expect to be able to detect scientifically the maker of the reality who exists outside of that reality because the detection methods are limited to within the reality.
It must be Booko's Tangent Night or something. Sorry, but the authorship has been in dispute like the question of whether aliens built the pyramids is in dispute.
I'm not following that either.
We can pick it back up anytime, if your god becomes detectable or definable.
My idea was to keep to characters within the same universe, unless DC did an issue on Nietzsche's Overman that I was not previously aware of....
You said if's were not allowed (first word of your response, bolding mine).
I don't get the "exists outside of that reality". If something truly does exist outside of our reality, then I would agree that we wouldn't be able to detect it, essentially by definition. It would also largely make it irrelevant to us.
However if that something interacts with us, then we could possibly be able to detect it, if at no other point, during those interactions. It would not be impossible, IOW. Do you agree ? Shared unbroken causality aside and what would constitute "another reality" in any relevant way aside ...
This is an interesting idea Chesterton and I'm not sure that I agree; although I think about the double slit experiment where photons seem to act in a peculiar manner that, as far as I know, still hasn't been acceptably explained. Ok so maybe Yahweh is in a dimension that we have no physical means to investigate, maybe.
Agreed. Which methods are NOT limited to within the reality?
And how did you get to presuppose a "maker" of said reality, anyway?
Which is why I shouldn't have followed you down the hole of a straw man analogy.Your if's were not allowed because they didn't happen. My if is allowed because it's not an if; we do live within a certain reality.
Which brings us back to the crux anyways. If you agree that detection would be possible within our certain reality, I don't get how you make the jump that whatever-we-may-be-detecting has to fall outside of our reality at some point ? Why make that leap ? Referencing a relationship between a creation and it's creator still falls flat. I can build a house and live in it. I can write a biography. Etc and so forth. I don't see where it necessitates it, as you seem to suggest.Yes I agree.
Methods not limited to within the reality would be those practicable from outside the reality. Examples that come to mind would be responses to prayers, and miracles. The detection would depend on them coming from God, outside of this reality. He would be choosing whether to allow the detection.
Which brings us back to the crux anyways. If you agree that detection would be possible within our certain reality, I don't get how you make the jump that whatever-we-may-be-detecting has to fall outside of our reality at some point ? Why make that leap ? Referencing a relationship between a creation and it's creator still falls flat. I can build a house and live in it. I can write a biography. Etc and so forth. I don't see where it necessitates it, as you seem to suggest.
Do you need for me to be lying? Seriously?I just realized what your "playing dumb" act
Was that intended to be hurtful? Which of us is holding on to ancient beliefs?
Our universe, the DC universe, the Marvel universe...You know of another universe?
Do you need for me to be lying? Seriously?
Does it make you uncomfortable to have it pointed out that your god, by what you have offered in this thread, is not detectable or definable?
Was that intended to be hurtful?
Which of us is holding on to ancient beliefs?
Our universe, the DC universe, the Marvel universe...
There's a lot in that question to clarify. What do you mean by "undetectable" and what do you mean by "Spirit creatures" for example. There are things which may operate unseen/undetectable in certain contexts and may appear and vanish, yet are not "Spirit creatures". Very high frequency radio waves, for example. Unseen, undetectable without technology/tools, yet given the proper tool/tech may appear and vanish (television) and obviously are detectable.Do you believe that Spirt creatures exist that may operate unseen/undetectable and may appear and vanish ?
Methods not limited to within the reality would be those practicable from outside the reality.(quote]
As you rightly pointed out, you however are within reality.
Whatever it is, you experience it from within reality.Examples that come to mind would be responses to prayers, and miracles.
That´s not an answer to the question how - from within reality - you know you have detected something outside reality.The detection would depend on them coming from God, outside of this reality. He would be choosing whether to allow the detection.
Well, if "seems like...to me" has become a substantiation of an argument in the meantime, I guess I am too old-fashioned for this discussion.Seems like a reasonable supposition to me.
There's a lot in that question to clarify. What do you mean by "undetectable" and what do you mean by "Spirit creatures" for example. There are things which may operate unseen/undetectable in certain contexts and may appear and vanish, yet are not "Spirit creatures". Very high frequency radio waves, for example. Unseen, undetectable without technology/tools, yet given the proper tool/tech may appear and vanish (television) and obviously are detectable.
I'm addressing specifically things which relate to the interactions of Yahweh, and Angels etc. and if you answer the above questyion i'll have a better idea of how you will suggest these Angels appear, at times and are detectable, and at other times aren't ( visible and detectable)My questioning is that I don't get why the leap is made to "outside reality". I'm not one claiming that for God to exist, He must be outside reality, or exist outside of "reality", or be undetectable, etc. If one believes in miracles for example, or that God or any other type of being (we can use the word "spiritual" as a generic placeholder term I suppose) can interact with the environment/reality/etc ... why the leap to, "They must be outside reality," ? Are parts of the electromagnetic spectrum outside reality ? Can you envision a point in history where a TV would have been considered evidence that there were things outside our reality, interacting with our reality ?
Why then the accusation of play-acting?No, why would I need that? It's irritating.
Have you pointed it out to yourself?No, it's something I've tried to point out to others many times over the years.
I am not familiar with it.No, it was a compliment actually. If you're unfamiliar with that SNL comedy skit, the unfrozen caveman lawyer is very intelligent and shrewd, although he wins arguments in front of juries by pretending not to be.
Speak for yourself.Both of us, Davian.
Can you be more vague?Like I said, read more.
Indeed. We can see into their universes using devices such as "comic books" and "movies", and on occasion, they can overlap.Can they interact?
quatona Whatever it is, you experience it from within reality.That´s not an answer to the question how - from within reality - you know you have detected something outside reality.
Well, if "seems like...to me" has become a substantiation of an argument in the meantime, I guess I am too old-fashioned for this discussion.
Speak for yourself.
Can you be more vague?
Indeed. We can see into their universes using devices such as "comic books" and "movies", and on occasion, they can overlap.
DC vs. Marvel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Concerning whether or not a being can appear and vanish, etc and so forth, and do what many would call what "angels" may or may not do ... I don't typically like stating my own beliefs in generalized format, unless I'm willing to back it up with at least examples from my own life and tell those examples as to why I believe such and such a thing. Having said that, yes I believe it's possible for *beings* to do such things. I'm keeping it generalized because I'm answering your question in a generalized format. And yes I have anecdotes, but I'll probably not type them out unless someone realllly wants to hear them. I can be long winded of courseI'm specifically refering to Angels etc. Do you believe Angels can appear at times in a form that we can detect, and then change into a form that we cannot detect/vanish ?
I'm addressing specifically things which relate to the interactions of Yahweh, and Angels etc. and if you answer the above questyion i'll have a better idea of how you will suggest these Angels appear, at times and are detectable, and at other times aren't ( visible and detectable)
Everything concerning the electromagnetic spectrum is detectable ( or at least the things we've detected are) and yet according to the double slit experiment we still don't have a completely understandable data set in the realm of photons, as yet.
Are you maybe suggesting that Angels operate inside our currently varifiable/detectable experimental dimension, at all times ?
There is always theological noncognitivism. That does work with an undetectable and undefinable "God" such as yours.Theism, atheism and agnosticism are each as old as the hills.
In fiction, anything is possible.Thanks. Superman and Hulk did not detect each other on their own; they needed supernatural help. From the article:
"Two godly brothers who personify the DC and Marvel Universes become aware of the other's existence,... The story had an 'out of universe' component..."
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