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Let's drop the titles!

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Jim B

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How do you feel about titles?

Reading again Jesus’ words in Matthew 23 concerning the Pharisees and religious leaders (ministers) of His day:
5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.' 8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.​
The more one thinks about these clear instructions from out Lord, the more one wonders about our modern practice of tacking titles on to ministers' names.

As Christ inferred (at least to me), the use of titles assumes a privileged status in employing exaggerated, self-inflated, hierarchal titles as "Reverend," "Bishop," “Pastor,” "Senior Pastor," “Father,” "Doctor," "Elder," "Prophet," even "Apostle" or (as my wife received an invitation last week to) "First Lady of the Church."

Furthermore, in our churches, over the past century or so, we have traditionally employed titles like “Brother/Sister” when addressing fellow Christians. Although this practice is not biblical (Jesus and Paul, for example, never used formal titles when speaking to/about others, only using given names), it is nearly universal in conservative Protestant churches. To my mind, it seems to place our relationships with one another on a formal rather than informal (familial) status. For instance, I would never refer to by natural brother that way; I always use his given (Christian) name only. He is, after all, family. I don’t need to remind him or others that he is my brother.

In our new church plant, we have elected to drop the titles altogether. I prefer just being “Jim.” But some of our older people still habitually call me “Pastor” Jim and “Brother” Jim. And, because they mean it as a term of respect (I hope), I usually allow it, but after a time suggest we get on a “first name basis.” Still, it is like weaning them from breathing. Our younger people love the first-name approach to relationship. In my opinion, that simple practice does as much to bond us to one another as anything else we do.

In the final analysis we do have to come back to Jesus' instruction, "Don’t do it" (vs.8 above).

Am I over-reacting (again) or can you see my point? How do you feel about all this?

Jim
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Great post, I totally agree.

I don't refer to our pastor as "Brother Tom" or "Pastor Tom", I just say "Hi, Tom". If we are going tobe a close knit family (like the 1st century church) I think it's a good idea to drop the titles.
 
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Well, we give the respect to doctors. But I agree that when I introduce myself to others, I don't quantify with my profession. But if people want to do it, who cares? I have found that this is similar to wearing jeans. Those who wear ties think those who wear jeans are not respectful enough, those who wear jeans think those who wear ties are too religious. Meanwhile, in the realm of eternity, I don't think it matters. I guess my point is someone without a title can be just as proud as someone with.
 
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Svt4Him said:
Well, we give the respect to doctors. But I agree that when I introduce myself to others, I don't quantify with my profession. But if people want to do it, who cares? I have found that this is similar to wearing jeans. Those who wear ties think those who wear jeans are not respectful enough, those who wear jeans think those who wear ties are too religious. Meanwhile, in the realm of eternity, I don't think it matters. I guess my point is someone without a title can be just as proud as someone with.
You are probably right in what you say, but how do we honestly obey Christ’s clear words on the subject and still continue the time-worn tradition of using titles in our relationships? If He said, “Don’t do it!” how can we say it doesn’t really matter?

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Jim B said:
How do you feel about titles?

Am I over-reacting (again) or can you see my point? How do you feel about all this?

Jim
\o/
You are not over-reacting bro... (says the guy whose username means 'teacher' :sorry: ) but I think this concept could be taken to far. It assumes that the entitled person is using the title for nefarious purposes. That may be the case sometimes... but not always. There are instances where people have titles and those titles are merely appellates of identification. Beyond that, they are often designation of responsibility. Anyone who has the title "pastor" and is having fun with it is not doing his job. These titles (in the NT age) are ones of slavery rather than master. A true minister is one that is a slave to his calling. He is burdened by it and it is a whip at his back. A true minister does not care what people call him. It is the phonies that go out and try to lord it over people. I see clowns out here who think they are prophets and who try to lord it over people because they have this little title. They have no burden for those they are responsible for, and show it by their contempt for them.

As far as your concerns about the words of Jesus. Does this apply to believers? Or are these the words of the preacher of repentance who sought to bring people to the foot of the cross and was calling for fruits of repentance. The cross requires we drop all pretence of power, righteousness, and self glory. We come totally helpless whether we be high priest, president, or king. But once we are on this side of the cross, is this something we need to continue to worry about seeing that we are regenerate and now are capable of the works of righteousness? I think much of what Jesus taught was primarily to those who needed to be brought to the place of repentance... mainly the Jews who saw themselves holy because of the law.

Good thread Bro....
 
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JIm,

Interesting point and I agree as it makes sense. But nonetheless, I cannot imagine for the life of me, when we are in heaven, of greeting God, "God". As in, "Good morning God, how are you this morning?"

(If I addressed my dad by his first name that way today, and he's 70, he'd still smack me over the head like I was 12 years old!)
 
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andry said:
JIm,

Interesting point and I agree as it makes sense. But nonetheless, I cannot imagine for the life of me, when we are in heaven, of greeting God, "God". As in, "Good morning God, how are you this morning?"

(If I addressed my dad by his first name that way today, and he's 70, he'd still smack me over the head like I was 12 years old!)
Well, we sure ain't God. I suppose it is fair to say, He deserves special entitlement and recognition. ;)

But Jesus did cover that very thing in the verses I quote in the OP: "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven."

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Jim B said:
Am I over-reacting (again) or can you see my point? How do you feel about all this?

Wow. I like the way you think!

Can I add something? I'd like to see labels dropped too. How much division has the church seen because of labels such as Charasmatic, Fundamental, Spirit Filled, Calvinist, Arminian, PreTrib, PostTrib ... and the list goes on endlessly.

We are one body with one Lord.

If we must have a label, let it be one we can all call ourselves: Bondservant
 
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Jim B said:
You are probably right in what you say, but how do we honestly obey Christ’s clear words on the subject and still continue the time-worn tradition of using titles in our relationships? If He said, “Don’t do it!” how can we say it doesn’t really matter?

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So if someone calls their dad "father" are they disobeying this verse?
 
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Good points Jim B and didaskalos!

Can I add something? I'd like to see labels dropped too. How much division has the church seen because of labels such as Charasmatic, Fundamental, Spirit Filled, Calvinist, Arminian, PreTrib, PostTrib ... and the list goes on endlessly.

We are one body with one Lord.

If we must have a label, let it be one we can all call ourselves: Bondservant

Amen. Many times a label can create a roadblock before you even begin, say, having a conversation! So yes, you get my vote! ;)
 
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Jim B said:
You're kidding, right?

Context, S. Is the context talking about natural fathers?

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I agree. So add the complete context, and calling someone pastor so and so is not the same. You mentioned the Bible said no to it, so it's important. Well, the Bible does talk about the titles, but the context is those who were so hung up on the titles and seemed to demand respect because of it. You may have some pastors like that, but I don't think all. Again, people can get hung up on the fact they don't have a title, and fall into the same error. So agreed, context is important.
 
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