Let's clear this up once and for all

AV1611VET said:

That is correct.

Evolution (a Greek invention) was discussed long before Darwin was ever born.

The Bible, in my opinion, also discusses it, referring to it in its infancy in three basic terms:

1. An invention.
2. A philosophy.
3. Endless genealogies.

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Im pretty sure thats several interpretations too far, but we will be in basic agreement if the long before includes long before any animal walked on land.

Cabal said:

Nice find - btw, we can induce artificial selection in creatures too

Leaving aside the fact that God=not empirical, it still works well for TE.

"Evolution is real though, and anyone claiming in 1009 that evolution didn't exist would have been wrong."

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Well, I have a working model of how to explain the animals that are in existence today, since the Ark.

It's a form of 'modified punctuated equilibrium' --- and it does rely on microevolution, not macro.

Jacob may well have witnessed God doing it in his day.

AV1611VET said:

That is correct.

Evolution (a Greek invention) was discussed long before Darwin was ever born.

The Bible, in my opinion, also discusses it, referring to it in its infancy in three basic terms:

1. An invention.
2. A philosophy.
3. Endless genealogies.

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Not this again.

And how is it Greek exactly?

Cabal said:

And how is it Greek exactly?

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Didn't the Greeks invent the term, or something?

ETA: Aristotle toyed with the idea.

AV1611VET said:

Well, I have a working model of how to explain the animals that are in existence today, since the Ark.

It's a form of 'modified punctuated equilibrium' --- and it does rely on microevolution, not macro.

Jacob may well have witnessed God doing it in his day.

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I mean this in the nicest possible way, AV, I do love your inventiveness, but seeing as your last idea about passing on sin nature claimed to involve genetics and then discounted pretty much every basic rule of genetics....

Just please, be gentle, my science sense is tingling.

*braces self*

AV1611VET said:

Didn't the Greeks invent the term, or something?

ETA: Aristotle toyed with the idea.

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If you mean etymologically, then no.

Online Etymology Dictionary

1641, "to unfold, open out, expand," from L. evolvere "unroll," from ex- "out" + volvere "to roll" (see vulva). Evolution (1622), originally meant "unrolling of a book;" it first was used in the modern scientific sense 1832 by Scot. geologist Charles Lyell. Charles Darwin used the word only once, in the closing paragraph of "The Origin of Species" (1859), and preferred descent with modification, in part because evolution already had been used in the 18c. homunculus theory of embryological development (first proposed under this name by Bonnet, 1762), in part because it carried a sense of "progress" not found in Darwin's idea. But Victorian belief in progress prevailed (along with brevity), and Herbert Spencer and other biologists popularized evolution.

ETA: Doi, right, you meant conceptually. Never mind!

Cabal said:

I mean this in the nicest possible way, AV, I do love your inventiveness, but seeing as your last idea about passing on sin nature claimed to involve genetics and then discounted pretty much every basic rule of genetics....

Just please, be gentle, my science sense is tingling.

*braces self*

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Don't worry --- I can't stay long ---

AV1611VET said:

Don't worry --- I can't stay long ---

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Another time then, perhaps.

We, the undersigned Academies of Sciences, agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

1. In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.

2. Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.

3. Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of
fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.

4. Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.