Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities

[tonychanyt]

See Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities

 

[sandman]

Romans 13:


John 19:

The above needs to be balanced by some other verses.

Luke 20:

What happens when the authorities diverge from God?

Acts 4:


On balance, Romans 12:


Let the Paraclete guide you in your conscience about what you should do in every circumstance of life.

Most everyone reads Rom _13:1-6 as “governmental authorities”. That suggestion would not stand in the context since not all government authorities are of God, nor do they execute His will as suggested in verses 2 through 5. The context referred to here is excelling authorities commissioned by God for the purpose of administering his service and justice to the church (called of God)

The following is a more literal translation of verses 1-6

1. Let every soul be in subjection to the excelling authorities. In fact there is no real authority except from God, and those that exist have been appointed by God (to the church)

2. Therefore those who oppose that authority, resist the disposition of God, and those who resist it will receive judgment against themselves.

3. Moreover, these leaders are not a source of fear to the good work but to the evil work. Do you want to not be afraid of the authority? Then do that which is good and you will have praise from the same.

4. Certainly a minister of God is for your good. However, if you do that which is evil, then be afraid, for he does not wear the sword without reason. Certainly a minister of God is an avenger for wrath to him who practices that which is evil.

5. Wherefore it is necessary to be in subjection not only because of the rath but also because of the conscience.

6. For this reason, pay tribute [respect, honor] also, for they are servants of God giving persistent attention to this same thing.

7. Render to all what is owed to them: the tribute [respect, honor] to whom the tribute [respect, honor] is owed; the fear [reverence] to whom fear [reverence] is owed; the honor to whom honor is Owed.

 

[tonychanyt]

1. Let every soul be in subjection to the excelling authorities.

reference?

 

[sandman]

reference?

The Word of God

 

[tonychanyt]

The Word of God

verse?

 

[sandman]

verse?

It’s plural “verses” I gave you seven. If your pride is really that inflated, then stick with man’s religious interpretation …doesn’t bother me.

 

[tonychanyt]

It’s plural “verses” I gave you seven. If your pride is really that inflated, then stick with man’s religious interpretation …doesn’t bother me.

Thanks for the references. To save the effort of everyone, this is how to do referencing in a scholarly manner:

1. Give the name of the source.
2. Provide the link to the source. It is the URL address.
3. Indent the quoted text.
4. Bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making.
5. Be concise and to the point.

This is what I do for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship. If you practice this, I guarantee you: it will improve your analytical thinking. In any case, no one is required to do it here

 

[sandman]

Thanks for the references. To save the effort of everyone, this is how to do referencing in a scholarly manner:

1. Give the name of the source.
2. Provide the link to the source. It is the URL address.
3. Indent the quoted text.
4. Bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making.
5. Be concise and to the point.

This is what I do for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship. If you practice this, I guarantee you: it will improve your analytical thinking. In any case, no one is required to do it here

It’s perspectives … while yours may be academic…. I am just looking to present my research of the Word in a readable fashion which sometimes varies slightly depending on what I am trying to convey.

My source is the Word of God so that pretty much eliminates the first two on your list. Hopefully I present it with enough information so the reader will do their own research to verify the what is written …. I never expect anyone to just accept what I write. A person must verify for themselves from the Word so they can make it their own …or make a decision one way or the other.

As for my analytical thinking …that is not the perspective I approach the Word from.

I am a simple person who believes that the Word of God interprets itself and is without contradiction. Any superficial contradictions come from translation, transmission, deliberate forgeries and/or understanding (or lack thereof) ….and I should include doctrinal bias, and religious overreach.

My basic format for research is below ..... I also give this to all new people in my fellowship area.

RESEARCH KEYS:



The first principle is laid out in John 16:13a Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, it will guide you into all truth (or one truth)…..Guiding doesn’t happen without you moving. If you want the spirit to guild you ….STUDY the Word of God.

The second underline principle to research is to ALWAYS “read what is written”. Not what you think is written, and not what you already believe is written…….. but what is written.
When the Bible states “about 120” (Act 1:15) it is not 120 …it may be 119 …it may be 121 but it is not 120.

The third principal dovetails with #2, and that is …Do not guess, do not speculate, do not try to fill in the blank or determine the outcome based on tradition, religion or what you or anyone else thinks. Drawing conclusion(s) based on your assumption or desire to prove your theory is elevating yourself above God. God had written what He wants us to know

KISS = Keep it simple saints. You don’t need to look for hidden messages within the scripture. Walking out on what you know, manifesting the Love of God in your heart and life to those around you….. will bring you more growth than you ever thought possible.



1.) IN THE VERSE

a.) 80% of the bible interprets itself in the verse where it is written.
b.) Words in the verse must be understood according to the meaning of the words at the time of usage.
c.) Difficult verses must be understood in light of clear verses ….relating to the same subject
d.) Any one verse must always be in harmony with scripture relating to the identical subject
e.) One scripture may not tell all the details; other scripture may add to it without contradicting each other. Scripture build-up (especially in the Gospels) helps to illuminate the complete message. One gospel may give an event from a certain perspective where another will fill in certain detail.




2.) IN THE CONTEXT

a.) If scripture does not interpret itself the verse…. context will determine the meaning of the verse or verses in question.
b.) Context as related to whom it is written or the specific subject can be determined by either the immediate context, or remoter context…
c.) The context relating to the same or similar subject must be kept within the administrative boundaries. You cannot correlate in part or in whole the same subject from two separate dispensations (administrations) unless they relate directly and are identical. This is primary applicable when trying to mix or correlate the gospels with the Grace administration.
D.) Pronouns are crucial when reading the context of scripture. Watch for pronouns which are used to differentiate between groups or individuals of events or situations.


3.) PREVIOUS USAGE

When you have a specific word or words that neither the verse nor the context determines its interpretation, going back to the first usage of that word will generally illuminate its meaning. Checking the first use of that word in the verse should determine its meaning; the meaning will remain the same throughout, UNLESS it is given a new definition in which case that will carry the consideration.
(Keep in mind….when searching for the first use of word…. the books of the Bible are not in chronological order)



OTHER CONSIDERATIONS

LITTLE WORDS WITH BIG MEANINGS:

Prepositions and conjunctions are especially important when directing the flow of thought in context.
a.) The use of the article “THE” must also be carefully noted especially when dealing with the subject of holy spirit. (more on the article at the bottom)
b.) The word “ALL” is used just as it is used today, context will determine its meaning, whether it is “ALL” without exception, or “ALL” with distinction.
c.) The use of “but” and “not” must be recognized for the degree of contrast or negation they signify in a passage.


TIME WORDS must be carefully noted in regard to whether an event occurs in the past, present, or future. Some words like then, after, finally are subtle but indicate a period of time. Even conjunctions such as and, & but especially in the gospels can indicate time.

IN THE BEGINNING
The word beginning or in the beginning must be carefully examined to determine which beginning. At times this refers to Genesis, other times it refers to the beginning of an event in an administration; context will determine the value of the word. For example: The first 3 chapters of 1 John “in the beginning” is used 9 or 10 times and references Pentecost, not Genesis.


TO WHOM IS IT WRITTEN

There are only three groups of people that God addresses in the Bible

Jews, Gentiles, or Church of God. The context or epistles introduction should determine to whom in the New Testament. Romans is addressed to Church of God, but chapters 9-11 addresses the Jews and then Gentiles.


ALL THOSE LITTLE THINGS
Punctuation, capitalization, chapter headings, chapter divisions, and verse divisions were all added by translators. They are extremely helpful, but they are not “given by inspiration of God” The majority of these thing have been well supplied, but there are a good number of areas where they are inaccurate. A simple comma can alter the meaning … always rely on the context to determine the truth.

CUSTOMS AND CULTURES
The Bible is riddled with references to the everyday customs of the time in which it was written. We should become familiar with the manner of life, idioms, orientalism’s, customs and culture…. to properly understand scripture.


FIGURES OF SPEACH
There are 219 figures of speech known in the world…. at least 214 of them are used in the Bible. It is not imperative to know these, but helpful in research and study. E. W. Bullinger has documented most all these figures of speech with scriptural reference, which makes it easy to look up. Figures of speech are used by God to put emphasis on that particular passage or account. (“Figures of Speech Used in the Bible”….Book by E. W. Bullinger)


GREEK & HEBREW

You do not need to know these languages to verify the truths in the Word of God. There is an abundance of resources online that you can use to verify the translation thereof and most of the resources have included the parsing….but it’s your choice.

However learning both the Greek and Hebrew “grammar” would be a great asset to your study and research, as the grammar for each is very different from that of English.

The article in the Greek is a classic example:

When “the” article hē appears in Greek ….it always signals some special significance. And we need to look at the matter from the Greek point of view, not the English if we are to discover the reason that the article is used.

The Greeks do not need “the” article to make the noun definite as used in English. In the Greek a substantive is definite without the article……The article originally came from the demonstrative pronoun such as “this” or “that” ….which calls attention with special emphasis to a designated object. Its function is to point out an object or draw attention to it….. It is used with a word that makes the word stand out distinctly. Whenever the Greeks used the article, it points out individual identity…. and it marks a specific object of thought.

The Greeks used the article with infinitives, adjectives, adverbs, prepositional phrases, and clauses …..or even with whole sentences….. We do not have a corresponding English usage or anything even remotely similar.

Additionally it is always a good idea to check the Greek interlinear when doing research. Many times other words are used in Bible versions as a substitute for the article and other times the article is completely left out.

 

[tonychanyt]

My source is the Word of God

Thanks for the verses. This is how to do referencing in a scholarly manner:

1. Display and indent the quoted text.
2. Selectively bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making. No need to bold the entire sentence. Have a laser-sharp focus.
3. Be concise and precise to the point. No need to quote the whole chapter.

This is what I do for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship. If you practice this, I guarantee you: it will improve your analytical thinking. In any case, no one is required to do it

 

[sandman]

Thanks for the verses. This is how to do referencing in a scholarly manner:

1. Display and indent the quoted text.
2. Selectively bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making. No need to bold the entire sentence. Have a laser-sharp focus.
3. Be concise and precise to the point. No need to quote the whole chapter.

This is what I do for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship. If you practice this, I guarantee you: it will improve your analytical thinking. In any case, no one is required to do it

You really miss the forest for the trees...

 

[tonychanyt]

You really miss the forest for the trees...

What is the forest? What are the trees?

 

[sandman]

What is the forest? What are the trees?

You tell me what AI thinks it is...........I'll tell you if you are right