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Talk about reading things into a post that wasn't even hinted at! Are you okay?
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Talk about reading things into a post that wasn't even hinted at! Are you okay?Your point is? Communism was better? Stalin?
I am asking what you meant...that seemed to be a logical assumptionTalk about reading things into a post that wasn't even hinted at! Are you okay?
What I said was quite clear. I don't hint at things. I will outright state them if that is what I truly think. The only time I will tread carefully and watch what I post is out of respect for this board as I am no longer Orthodox. I will have to strongly disagree about how what you posted was a 'logical assumption' of any sort though.I am asking what you meant...that seemed to be a logical assumption
Forgive me for inserting myself here, but you might consider that one problem with weak leaders is that what comes after one might be worse.I am asking what you meant...that seemed to be a logical assumption
Meaning?Forgive me for inserting myself here, but you might consider that one problem with weak leaders is that what comes after one might be worse.
1. seashale and I note that St Nicholas II was a poor (my contention) or weak leader (seashale's contention)Meaning?
Oh OK, thanks for the clarification! I read it as communism was better.2. You ask if that means Stalin was better.
3. I point out that one problem with weak leaders is that what comes after a weak leader is often worse than that leader. That is, they enable a collapse into an even worse state.
Agree. I think the nostalgia of the USSR was more about the power it had and couldn't be pushed around by the West. Since the fall of the USSR, as you pointed out, the West has treated Russia like crap and a continued enemy when they were weak and having to rebuild and regrow, etc.Agreed. But it didn’t HAVE to be this way. I watched, from the inside, over the 1990’s and 2000’s, as the USSR fell,the Russians were so eager to be our friends and allies, though their civilization was falling down around their ears. If we had Marshall-planned them, like we did with Germany and Japan after WW2, they would have willingly become flat-out Western. But our foreign policy was run by scumbags who needed constant war and military conflict, who could NOT let their Cold War cash cow turn into a Peace Dividend, and when it became clear that conducting a war against an emotion (“Terror”) could not be sustained, they needed a credible geopolitical threat, and North Korea and Iran simply did not fit the bill. Only Russia or China could excite the necessary fear to justify massive continuous spending, but we had mega-billion dollar trade with China, and next to nothing with Russia, so for them, it wasn’t a hard choice as to which should be chosen as our perma-enemy. And so, everything was done to deny Russia as an ally, and provoke her as an enemy. Again and again and again. From 1995-2014, we - our foreign policy - encouraged them to hate and mistrust us. And so, the Communist Party and the cult of Stalin, as dead as doornails, had life blown back into them as the alternative when membership in the EU and G-(7, or other number) were consistently denied them, and NATO continually pushed eastward, despite assurances that we would not do that.
WE, our political leadership, helped resurrect this Frankenstein. And we ought to admit that.
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