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<blockquote data-quote="GodsoldierClintus" data-source="post: 40529292" data-attributes="member: 189419"><p>I'll try and say what I actually mean. Of course helping others is doing what God wants. That's why it says "Saved to Serve". But people are naturally going to be resistant to what we are telling them through the word. Is it love, if we do not tell them about the truth that we know? Is it love, if we do not tell them that the way they are going, they are going straight to hell? It doesn't have to be a preacher on the side of the road preaching damnation - no I don't think that's a good idea. But it seems that society has no problem with us doing our good works, but has a problem with us as soon as we mention the gospel. </p><p></p><p>The church only got to where it is today because the apostles were told by authorities not to preach the gospel, and did anyway. That's what I'm trying to say. They preached Jesus alive, when he died. They preached Salvation when the world around them preached death. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well...I feel the answer is to stop being "nice" and think of the big picture. You can't argue the church in China isn't charitable - but they succeed because they preach when they aren't allowed to. Of course we don't do things to annoy people - but when truth is not told because it annoys people, well that's a problem. </p><p></p><p>I'm not saying the Salvos should change into an army of street preachers. I'm saying we're going to have to do things that may offend people and damage our name. I'm saying we have to preach when we do our works, even if it's against social norm or possibly even the law. I'm saying we have to sing Jesus name in the street even if it offends people. I'm not saying we should preach damnation - we never did that. We preached Salvation, and we should do so. What good is bread and food in this life, if there is no bread and wine for the next life? There is a cost of following Christ...I do believe he told us that? But whoever believes in me shall deny himself and carry the cross and follow me? We are no longer following Christ. We are submitting to social norm instead of Jesus. </p><p></p><p>And what if the very thing God does want us to do is to preach the word. All the prophets, were rejected and killed for preaching and asking for people to repent! </p><p></p><p>Again I ask - is it love, if we do not preach our gospel? Is it love not to preach the gospel just because it offends someone? We know they are going to hell! Unless you're a universalist, that is what you believe right? Is it right to sit here and continue our religious worship when souls are lost everyday? Is it not a tragedy and yes I use tragedy when people die without knowing God? I truly hope that we've got it all wrong about Jesus being the only way. Because that would mean that there is still hope for those that have died. But we know that's not true! Preaching damnation in hatred is of course not a good thing - but preaching salvation through Christ is very necessary thing in my opinion. We don't want God hates [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] types of teaching. But we should at least ask - what hope do you have broken world? What good does your jobs, your money do for you? Because Ecclesiastes is such a powerful book. If what we believe is false - then we may as well go and eat drink and be merry! </p><p></p><p>I do not accept that doing charitable works is enough...there are so many times in the OT...God hates our worship, hates our songs, hates our offerings...why? Because there are oppressed people, because all the Jews did was offer worship not of true value. </p><p></p><p>What if worship today calls for us to be hated? What if worship today means that we have to suffer the scorn of this world? What if we have to preach, be hated for it, and still turn around and serve them? </p><p></p><p>And isn't that EXACTLY what Jesus did?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GodsoldierClintus, post: 40529292, member: 189419"] I'll try and say what I actually mean. Of course helping others is doing what God wants. That's why it says "Saved to Serve". But people are naturally going to be resistant to what we are telling them through the word. Is it love, if we do not tell them about the truth that we know? Is it love, if we do not tell them that the way they are going, they are going straight to hell? It doesn't have to be a preacher on the side of the road preaching damnation - no I don't think that's a good idea. But it seems that society has no problem with us doing our good works, but has a problem with us as soon as we mention the gospel. The church only got to where it is today because the apostles were told by authorities not to preach the gospel, and did anyway. That's what I'm trying to say. They preached Jesus alive, when he died. They preached Salvation when the world around them preached death. Well...I feel the answer is to stop being "nice" and think of the big picture. You can't argue the church in China isn't charitable - but they succeed because they preach when they aren't allowed to. Of course we don't do things to annoy people - but when truth is not told because it annoys people, well that's a problem. I'm not saying the Salvos should change into an army of street preachers. I'm saying we're going to have to do things that may offend people and damage our name. I'm saying we have to preach when we do our works, even if it's against social norm or possibly even the law. I'm saying we have to sing Jesus name in the street even if it offends people. I'm not saying we should preach damnation - we never did that. We preached Salvation, and we should do so. What good is bread and food in this life, if there is no bread and wine for the next life? There is a cost of following Christ...I do believe he told us that? But whoever believes in me shall deny himself and carry the cross and follow me? We are no longer following Christ. We are submitting to social norm instead of Jesus. And what if the very thing God does want us to do is to preach the word. All the prophets, were rejected and killed for preaching and asking for people to repent! Again I ask - is it love, if we do not preach our gospel? Is it love not to preach the gospel just because it offends someone? We know they are going to hell! Unless you're a universalist, that is what you believe right? Is it right to sit here and continue our religious worship when souls are lost everyday? Is it not a tragedy and yes I use tragedy when people die without knowing God? I truly hope that we've got it all wrong about Jesus being the only way. Because that would mean that there is still hope for those that have died. But we know that's not true! Preaching damnation in hatred is of course not a good thing - but preaching salvation through Christ is very necessary thing in my opinion. We don't want God hates [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] types of teaching. But we should at least ask - what hope do you have broken world? What good does your jobs, your money do for you? Because Ecclesiastes is such a powerful book. If what we believe is false - then we may as well go and eat drink and be merry! I do not accept that doing charitable works is enough...there are so many times in the OT...God hates our worship, hates our songs, hates our offerings...why? Because there are oppressed people, because all the Jews did was offer worship not of true value. What if worship today calls for us to be hated? What if worship today means that we have to suffer the scorn of this world? What if we have to preach, be hated for it, and still turn around and serve them? And isn't that EXACTLY what Jesus did? [/QUOTE]
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