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So, apparently the poster I have quoted is incapable of understanding any concept beyond the scope of it's status in the American legal system.I can't think of it that way because age discrimination legally only applies to people over 40.
And he makes up arbitrary standards for his positions that have nothing to do with the related concepts in the American legal system.Until we're able to transport fetus from womb to womb I'm not going to rethink my pro choice stance.
Until we're able to transport fetus from womb to womb I'm not going to rethink my pro choice stance.
I think this has to be the most ridiculous argument for a pro-abortion stance that I have ever heard. If someone cannot be handed from one person to another, then it isn't human and it isn't even alive.
If it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious! I don't know whether to laugh hysterically or to bawl uncontrollably.
So, apparently the poster I have quoted is incapable of understanding any concept beyond the scope of it's status in the American legal system.
I think that explains a lot.
And he makes up arbitrary standards for his positions that have nothing to do with the related concepts in the American legal system.
No one can argue with that logic.
Well first of all, I'm a she. Secondly, abortion is legal, hence it is appropriate to take a legal approach when looking at it, which is what I did with regard to the age discrimination argument. Thirdly, I never stated that my opinion was in line with the legal system. That's about the only thing that would make me reconsider legal abortions because the fetus would no longer be parasitic in nature (MEANING it relies completely on the woman and can rely on no one else, which makes me question it's autonomy) because it could be transfered from one person to the next. Make fun of my position all you want, I don't particularly care. I'm a liberal Christian and proud of it. I know that welcomes ridicule in TCL but so be it.
What?This often happened to me after visiting my grandmother on my dad's side. She had many abortions because they couldn't afford having so many kids, and the ELCA (which I believe was ALC back then) wrote her a nice little letter telling her not to feel guilty because it was God's WILL that she abort her little babies and that their souls were in heaven because of her willingness to admit they couldn't afford children and so on and so forth.
What?
Could she have afforded birth control? Or condoms? Or abstinence? The last one's really cheap.
I don't mean to be harsh, but this is just...
Almost as bad as hearing an unborn child being compared to a parasite.
Well, so we cannot transport it ... yet....
Until we're able to transport fetus from womb to womb I'm not going to rethink my pro choice stance.
You don't get ridiculed because you're "liberal", you get questioned because while you carry a Lutheran icon, your beliefs don't line up with Lutheranism.
Perhaps not to the degree you may think.Your Lutheranism. ELCA=Pro Choice lest you forget.
We mourn the loss of life that God has created. The strong Christian presumption is to preserve and protect life. Abortion ought to be an option only of last resort. Therefore, as a church we seek to reduce the need to turn to abortion as the answer to unintended pregnancies.
Because of the Christian presumption to preserve and protect life, this church, in most circumstances, encourages women with unintended pregnancies to continue the pregnancy.
This church encourages and seeks to support adoption as a positive option to abortion.
Your Lutheranism. ELCA=Pro Choice lest you forget.
Bless you for trying to see the good even where it is obscured and almost completely absent. I do wish you were right.
nor does a pregnant woman have an absolute right to terminate a pregnancy.A developing life in the womb does not have an absolute right to be born
Some of the parts you missed...
A developing life in the womb does not have an absolute right to be born, nor does a pregnant woman have an absolute right to terminate a pregnancy. The concern for both the life of the woman and the developing life in her womb expresses a common commitment to life.
And this...which is the crux of being Pro Choice...
Because of our conviction that both the life of the woman and the life in her womb must be respected by law, this church opposes:
- the total lack of regulation of abortion;
- legislation that would outlaw abortion in all circumstances;
- laws that prevent access to information about all options available to women faced with unintended pregnancies;
- laws that deny access to safe and affordable services for morally justifiable abortions;
- mandatory or coerced abortion or sterilization;
- laws that prevent couples from practicing contraception;
- laws that are primarily intended to harass those contemplating or deciding for an abortion
What would you propose calling the ELCA if it's not Lutheran?
While they may be pro-choice in the broadest and most pragmatic of terms, the ELCA is about as far away from abortion-on-demand as you can get without being pro-life. At least that's how their statement reads to me.
I did not know that.The ELCA's health insurance that is provided to their employees pays for abortion on demand. That sounds pretty pro-choice to me.
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