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Don't know. Don't care.
Are you trying to equate the origin of God with an off-key extra? Is that what he is to you?
We've made it clear that the details are for later when more basic matters have been dealt with.
I'm saying "people are going out of their way to find something to cause a fuss over instead of studying what is right in front of them."
We've posted links. We've given explanations. We've made it clear that the details are for later when more basic matters have been dealt with.
And yet folks are harping on it like it's the cure for cancer.
We've made it clear that the details are for later when more basic matters have been dealt with.
I'm saying "people are going out of their way to find something to cause a fuss over instead of studying what is right in front of them."
We've posted links. We've given explanations. We've made it clear that the details are for later when more basic matters have been dealt with.
And yet folks are harping on it like it's the cure for cancer.
If this is true, then how do you know the being/entity that you are worshipping and you call heavenly father is the same as the God the Father as described in the Bible?
There it is!
This is what I have suspected all along.
Of course, you don't know...that was a given from the beginning.
It's that "Don't care." that ties it all up.
As Dr. Steve puts it, you "nod and swallow"...because you do not care.
Case in point. Follow the "prophet."
When the prophet has spoken, the debate is over.
Just keep on keepin' on. Follow the leader, keep the commandments, don't make waves, endure to the end, get through the veil, inherit your own kingdom. That's pretty much it, isn't it?
This thread is beginning to remind me of the one review I saw for "Jersey Boys" wherein the reviewer panned the film because an extra was off-key during a musical number.
Dude was so obsessed with the one extra he missed the bulk of what the film was actually trying to accomplish.
Wow! That isn't even close.
Based on the comments above, it doesn't appear that you realize that I am capable of responding on my own. I heartily urge people to try it sometime. Just post a comment that says, "Ran, what do you think about <insert question>." And I will be quite happy to answer with what I actually think. Not what the Prophet thinks and certainly not what the LDS critics think.
But what is really humorous about the allegation is how it totally ignores the way I respond on this forum. I mean, do I sound like someone who doesn't make waves?
There is a logic disconnect here.
You ask about someone other than Heavenly Father and I answer that I don't know and I don't care. Then you jump to the God described in the Bible as if my being focused only on Heavenly Father is not connected to the source from which I learned about Him. You'll have to work this one out, because it doesn't make any sense to me to have someone claim I don't worship the God of the Bible when I am constantly going to the Bible for my understanding of Him.
We don't know anything about other gods and we really don't care because it has no impact on our salvation. Now what?
The only disconnect is yours. You claimed the heavenly father you worship was once a mortal man. The God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the I AM, Yahweh, El Olam, Jehovah Jireh, Elohim, etc., was never a mortal man.
The god one worships has everything to do with one's salvation. Now what?
I'm not sure what cats giving birth to kittens has to do with this issue.
Cats give birth to kittens, dogs give birth to dogs....and people give birth to people. They do not give birth to gods. In fact, there would be no cats, or dogs, or people, or anything else, if God had not created them.
I think that this explains LDS thought concerning this:
Gods and humans represent a single divine lineage, the same species of being, although they and he are at different stages of progress.
God the Father - The Encyclopedia of Mormonism]
This is why it was stated by LDS President Romney:
The truth is, my beloved brethren and sisters, man is a child of Goda God in embryo.https://www.lds.org/ensign/1973/07/man-a-child-of-god?lang=eng
Okay, I'll bite, but first it would be a good idea to define exactly what I meant when I used the term "make waves." In the LDS church, to make waves might include (but certainly not be limited to) not sustaining someone in a meeting. It also might include a teacher introducing ideas into his/her lesson which did not come from the approved curriculum materials which are written, edited, published, and distributed by the LDS church. It also might include attending a ward in whose boundaries you don't actually reside. It might also include saying no when the bishop feels inspired to ask you to assume a calling you don't want or feel qualified for. It might also include being critical - even privately - of a church leader when you believe him wrong or uninspired. The list goes on, of course, but this one will do to illustrate the point for now. You will undoubtedly have some other ideas for what the term means, and please feel free to tell us about those.
So, with all the above in mind..."RAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MAKING WAVES WHEN YOU FEEL YOU HAVE A DISAGREEMENT - EVEN A SMALL ONE - WITH SOMETHING A CHURCH AUTHORITY/BISHOP/STAKE PRESIDENT/AREA/GENERAL AUTHORITY MIGHT SAY?"
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