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LCMS - what is the Church's stand on birth control?

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vle045

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This seems to be a huge hot button topic with RCC. They only promote Natural Family Planning. Any other form is evil and if you knowingly do it, you are told you will basically burn in hell.

Seems kind of harsh to me. Especially hearing from those who sincerely try it and end up with more kids than they can afford and a marriage that is in trouble from the restrictions it places on you.

Is there a similar stance in LCMS???????
 

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http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2122
 
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Here's the answer, from the LCMS website:

Q. What is the LCMS stance on voluntary contraception?

A. The LCMS does not have an official position on "voluntary contraception" or voluntary childlessness


You'll find that most Lutherans have an OPINION on everything from beer to UFO's and it's possible you'll met a Lutheran pastor who has an opinion on this (one way or the other), but there is no official LCMS position on this issue.

ONE of the things I very much appreciate about Lutherans is thier willingness to shut up (OFFICIALLY anyway, LOL)...



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OK, thanks for the link... I DID read that... you probably gave it to me in another thread and I forgot.

So I would guess that there is not much chatter about it being "wrong" when used within a responsible context... such as a married couple that does not want to have a dozen kids that they can not afford to properly care for...

... and that other Lutherans don't go around pointing fingers and say that artificial birth control is evil and that you will burn in hell for not being "open to life"...

It seems to be a firestorm with the Catholics.

As if somehow birth control is just as evil as rape or murder.
 
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As said the LCMS doesn't have a big one way or the other type answer of it's perfectly ok or it's sinful. But I'll give my opinion.

I am fine with birth control. And much as Romans would love to say they only use natural family planning because birth control try's to control Gods will? To that I have to ask...huh? Doesn't matter how you try and prevent pregnancy, trying to prevent it is the same regardless of if it is done chemically or by looking at a calendar.

Gods will WILL be done, and I think those who say a sheer piece of latex or the chemicals of a pill can trump God's will need to reexamine what they are saying, cause they either don't believe what they say and are lying or they are severely lacking in faith.

God has often used physical means to support our physical being. God had the power to make the Israelites not hunger or need food, instead he gave them manna. God could easily simply cure us of our illnesses, instead he blesses us with medicines so that doctors may treat us according to his will. Now I am not saying BC is on par with mana, BUT, we are physical beings and God often provides us with physical means to have his will carried out. God is capable of doing it all spiritually, but he chooses not to. Hence, we have medical treatments in general and, more specific to the discussion, birth control. Least that's my view.
 
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There is a minority in the LCMS that consider Birth Control a sin. I know a relatively small number of Missouri Synod Lutherans that believe this way, including myself. However, before the 1950's, it was nearly the unanimous view. Some in the WELS & ELS also believe it is a sin.

This subject has been debated a lot on LutherQuest, so I will post the links to some of the debates and some old Lutheran Witness articles concerning the subject:

lutherquest . org/discus40/messages/41821/41700 . html

lutherquest . org/discus40/messages/41821/44701 . html

lutherquest . org/discus40/messages/32884/32879 . html

lutherquest . org/discus40/messages/41821/44748 . html

lutherquest . org/discus40/messages/41821/44699 . html

lutherquest . org/discus40/messages/49356/49347 . html

Also see the "Lutherans and Contraception" Blog:

lutheransandcontraception.blogspot . com/
 
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Really? Why is that? (I really don't know... never been there)
It's a forum of some of the greatest Lutheran theologians and thinkers of our time. Filled with professional people like ministers, professors, university heads, historians, lawyers, doctors and educated laymen from all Lutheran Synods. Has a large majority of confessional/conservatives. Most of us here couldn't manage a coherent, intellectual discussion there. Including me. Many people here also won't go there because Jack Cascione started the forum.
 
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Cascione and Herman Otten and many other Ultra conservative Lutherans are trying to get LCMS back to it's original confessional basis. Cascione and his congregation have withdrawn from the LCMS and Rev Otten never received received his accreditation from LCMS even though he graduated from St'Louis seminary. The rest of the Lutherans are sticking their heads in the sand hoping that President Kieshnick's liberal agenda will get better and they (most people on this board also) hope that if they just ignore all the problems they will go away. Massive deniability.
 
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Who is Jack Cascione ?


Lutherans take their theology pretty seriously and they hold each other accountable. As in all denominations, there are small fringes on each side and (SADLY) there can be absurd politics played in power struggles (usually with the best of intentions but the worst of actions). It happens in many congregations and it happens in all denominations. Sometimes these things actually rip congregations and denominations apart (ironcially, both extremes usually consider that a victory, lol).


The LCMS is a very conservative church body - not just in theology (where they are probably the most united large Protestant denomination in the USA) but in practice and policy (where they often squabble endlessly - often over issues that make everyone outside the LCMS and 90% of those inside wonder what in the world is the problem). Fortunately, this, too, seems to be on the fringes and the great majority of congregations are entirely unimpacted by it. For being a large, fairly old church body which such strong convictions and where accountability is so high, it is amazing that it's pretty much only found at the extreme edges.


Every three years, there is a denomination wide convention. EVERY congregation has an EQUAL vote (no matter how large or small) to elect a pastoral and a lay delegate (they are in EQUAL numbers at EVERY convention). Nothing could be more democratic or embracing. Everything but the Bible and the historic Lutheran Confessions is debatable. In the last one, Dr. Kieschnick was overwhelmingly re-elected (again). In fact, the convention was fairly solidly one of affirmation for the LCMS.


I understand that after every US presidential election, there are a few hundred Americans who take literally the "Love it or leave it" mentality - and they do leave (Costa Rica seems to be the "in" place to go to these days). They usually drift back.... I think it was Lincoln who said, "You can't please all of the people all of the time." I recall, not even Jesus could do that, LOL. That these conservative, passionate LCMS people - who embrace accountability so firmly - are so united and live together so well (as the last Convention last summer revealed once again) and have done so with no significant splits in nearly 200 years speaks well, I think. But those small minorities on the fringes will kick and complain and probably never be happy - and maybe that's good. I grew up in a denomination with a "whatever" attitude and a tiny fringe ended up taking it over and.... well, not a good thing, not at all. A lively, open debate is often a good thing. Conservative Lutherans are KNOWN for that - good or bad or whatever, LOL.


MY perspective.
Some will passionately disagree (welcome to community - ANY community - where two or three or more are gathered together).


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- Josiah




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I see you have an extensive amount of experience and knowledge to draw all these conclusions from being 19 and all. I know you have a dad and gfather that is a pastor but that doesn't scratch the surface of the amount of information that is available to everyone out there if they would just research it out and find that the LCMS is heading for trouble. All your extensive words and many paragraphs doesn't obviate that fact. You can't counteract the conservatives just by writing as essay about it. Opinion don't mean anything. Facts do. That's all I'm saying about it since this OP is for information for a person seeking and not our personal agenda.
 
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One thing that drives me nuts is a bunch of people that want to force their views on to others. That's what is frustrating me right now the RCC.

I don't mind sharing various opinions and a good discussion. But I hate when it turns into a match of I am right and you are wrong so you are a heretic... or whatever. It makes me tired and frustrated.

And especially with regard to things like birth control.

I am more of the "different strokes for different folks" type. Ya know, live and let live.

I think Church should be a place that lifts you up, gives you hope, encourages you in your faith, etc.

Not a place that tears you down and makes you feel like garbage stuck to the bottom of a shoe.
 
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