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The LCMS as well as many other Christian religions don’t believe in macroevolution, so how does one in these denominations explain the evidence such as this, below from Answers in Genesis?
<<<<<<Does an Armless Fossil Shed Light on How Animals Like Snakes Lost Their Limbs?
by Ken Ham on April 13, 2022
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Now, the research journal that covered the fossil find constantly attributes this loss of genetic information as “evolution.” They point out that this fossil closely resembles how snakes and caecilians (legless amphibians) exhibit progressively reduced limbs before complete loss in their “evolutionary histories.” But today, there are living reptiles that have no arms but reduced hindlimbs (Pygopodidae—“armless” geckos and Chamaesaura—“grass lizards”). Maybe they just haven’t “evolved” enough yet!
The researchers described the proposed mechanisms behind limb loss in Nagini:
Although the mechanisms of limb reduction in many tetrapod lineages remain incompletely understood, it appears that limb reduction and loss can be accomplished by failures or disruptions to normal development during any of the three phases of limb development, resulting in a vast array of variation in limb-reduced phenotypes. Late phase disruptions to growth plate development, particularly the rate of longitudinal growth or timing of growth plate closure, are most common and typically lead to conditions where the majority of limb elements are retained but are reduced in overall size. Disruptions in limb morphogenesis and patterning during the limb bud phase will often result in loss of distinct limb modules, commonly the loss of entire digits but also the loss of other distal (but not proximal) elements, including carpals and/or tarsals. Failure in the earliest phase establishing the limb field is relatively rare but is the mechanism identified as resulting in the loss of the pectoral limb and girdle and associated musculature in caecilians and snakes and we suggest that this is the mechanism involved in forelimb loss in Nagini as well based on similarities in the pattern of limb loss (that is, complete lack of proximal appendicular elements and absence of a forelimb rudiment).
In other words, these are mutations in the developing reptile’s genes which disrupt its ability to grow limbs. (It is worth noting here that there is some debate among evolutionary biologists who differ on whether these recumbirostrans are reptiles or amphibians). This is a result of the curse (Genesis 3), not an evolutionary advancement. Or it may be that God designed these types of reptiles (or amphibians) as limbless or with reduced limbs originally (as part of the creeping things of Genesis 1:25).
Now to be sure, even in a cursed world, God allows some animals to adapt to their environment. And for burrowing or tree-dwelling animals, which many of the “legless lizards” are, not having limbs is not a detriment to their survival but may actually aid the animal.
Now to be sure, even in a cursed world, God allows some animals to adapt to their environment.
In any event, this is not molecules-to-man evolution but potentially a developmental mutation and the loss of information. Ironically, though, the researchers placed Nagini in a phylogenetic tree where both its ancestors and descendants are four-limbed recumbirostrans. How does this show an evolutionary developmental process in lizards or amphibians? It’s not just inconsistent: it’s totally disarming to their “story.”>>>>>>
The LCMS as well as many other Christian religions don’t believe in macroevolution, so how does one in these denominations explain the evidence such as this, below from Answers in Genesis?
<<<<<<Does an Armless Fossil Shed Light on How Animals Like Snakes Lost Their Limbs?
by Ken Ham on April 13, 2022
Featured in Ken Ham

Share:
Now, the research journal that covered the fossil find constantly attributes this loss of genetic information as “evolution.” They point out that this fossil closely resembles how snakes and caecilians (legless amphibians) exhibit progressively reduced limbs before complete loss in their “evolutionary histories.” But today, there are living reptiles that have no arms but reduced hindlimbs (Pygopodidae—“armless” geckos and Chamaesaura—“grass lizards”). Maybe they just haven’t “evolved” enough yet!
The researchers described the proposed mechanisms behind limb loss in Nagini:
Although the mechanisms of limb reduction in many tetrapod lineages remain incompletely understood, it appears that limb reduction and loss can be accomplished by failures or disruptions to normal development during any of the three phases of limb development, resulting in a vast array of variation in limb-reduced phenotypes. Late phase disruptions to growth plate development, particularly the rate of longitudinal growth or timing of growth plate closure, are most common and typically lead to conditions where the majority of limb elements are retained but are reduced in overall size. Disruptions in limb morphogenesis and patterning during the limb bud phase will often result in loss of distinct limb modules, commonly the loss of entire digits but also the loss of other distal (but not proximal) elements, including carpals and/or tarsals. Failure in the earliest phase establishing the limb field is relatively rare but is the mechanism identified as resulting in the loss of the pectoral limb and girdle and associated musculature in caecilians and snakes and we suggest that this is the mechanism involved in forelimb loss in Nagini as well based on similarities in the pattern of limb loss (that is, complete lack of proximal appendicular elements and absence of a forelimb rudiment).
In other words, these are mutations in the developing reptile’s genes which disrupt its ability to grow limbs. (It is worth noting here that there is some debate among evolutionary biologists who differ on whether these recumbirostrans are reptiles or amphibians). This is a result of the curse (Genesis 3), not an evolutionary advancement. Or it may be that God designed these types of reptiles (or amphibians) as limbless or with reduced limbs originally (as part of the creeping things of Genesis 1:25).
Now to be sure, even in a cursed world, God allows some animals to adapt to their environment. And for burrowing or tree-dwelling animals, which many of the “legless lizards” are, not having limbs is not a detriment to their survival but may actually aid the animal.
Now to be sure, even in a cursed world, God allows some animals to adapt to their environment.
In any event, this is not molecules-to-man evolution but potentially a developmental mutation and the loss of information. Ironically, though, the researchers placed Nagini in a phylogenetic tree where both its ancestors and descendants are four-limbed recumbirostrans. How does this show an evolutionary developmental process in lizards or amphibians? It’s not just inconsistent: it’s totally disarming to their “story.”>>>>>>