Kremlin Considers Tucker Carlson an Asset?

essentialsaltes · Mar 15, 2022

It's not like this is anything new. From 2019:

Tucker Carlson’s defense of Russia takes “America First” to its logical conclusion
Tucker: "Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? I'm serious. Why shouldn't I root for Russia? Which by the way I am."

Even if we're extremely generous and assume Tucker was just saying he doesn't care what happens outside the borders of America, that America First isolationism still plays into Putin's hands. (see also Syria)

Speaking of America First:

cow451 · Mar 15, 2022

Hammster said:
Can’t say I’m surprised.

You shouldn’t be if you’re following Carlson’s public record.

cow451 · Mar 15, 2022

Hammster said:
I don’t watch his show. But it’s incredible to think that anyone believes that Russia is using fragments of his commentary (or any American new source) with any level of integrity.

Integrity is not the issue. The Kremlin is simply using his public statements.

Hammster · Mar 15, 2022

Opdrey said:
I occasionally watch his stuff. It isn't far fetched to think Russia would find easy pickings among this commentary that they can leverage for support.

As noted earlier it is slightly possible that Tucker is taking an "American Isolationism" position and attempting to explain away Russia's actions in hopes that we don't get involved.

Right now Russia can very easily use his exact phrases with no alteration to make it sound like the US has factions within it that are, if not wholly supportive of Putin, at least not as mortified by the ongoing warcrimes as a decent society should be.

“Phrases”. “Fragments”. Same thing.

Opdrey · Mar 15, 2022

Hammster said:
“Phrases”. “Fragments”. Same thing.

Do you feel that Tucker is being taken wholly out of context by the Russian media? Do you think Tucker is taking a very hard line against Russia but they have cut and broken up his comments to make it sound like he is taking a much softer line on their actions?

Hammster · Mar 15, 2022

Opdrey said:
Do you feel that Tucker is being taken wholly out of context by the Russian media? Do you think Tucker is taking a very hard line against Russia but they have cut and broken up his comments to make it sound like he is taking a much softer line on their actions?

As I said earlier, I don’t watch him. I don’t care if it’s him, Stelter or Maddow. We shouldn’t be giddy in calling them out if a foreign country is using fragments of their shows for propaganda.

Opdrey · Mar 15, 2022

Hammster said:
As I said earlier, I don’t watch him. I don’t care if it’s him, Stelter or Maddow. We shouldn’t be giddy in calling them out if a foreign country is using fragments of their shows for propaganda.

The folks on the Left do get a bit amped up over folks like Tucker C. And anything that can be laid on him that casts him in a bad light is "valuable" to them.

But on the other side Tucker makes a living doing that very thing to folks on the Left.

As I said I watch him from time to time. It might be a case of the chickens coming home to roost for folks like Tucker who misrepresent and twist the events of the day to fit his own narrative.

Now, that being said, I actually do think Tucker is taking a softer line on Russia (or has in the past) since his audience is somewhat primed for it, if it can be used to make the Biden Administration look bad.

That's the corrosion here. Tucker is focused on trying to make points against the Left and in doing that he's providing easily leveraged propaganda for the Russians. He's more focused on division at home (and widening that division) which is exactly what Russia wants. It's just icing on the cake that so many of his comments can be used directly and without any editing to give aid and comfort to Putin.

He shouldn't be silenced at all! He has freedom of speech. But he must be aware of the field he has put himself on and be aware of how his actions have impacts beyond, perhaps, what he originally intended.

Opdrey · Mar 15, 2022

cow451 said:
I haven’t seen any complaints about his statements being taken out of context. You are assuming that to be the case. For someone claiming not to care, you seem quite sympathetic.

I think it is always important to actually watch some of the folks like Tucker and Hannity et al.

cow451 · Mar 15, 2022

Opdrey said:
The folks on the Left do get a bit amped up over folks like Tucker C. And anything that can be laid on him that casts him in a bad light is "valuable" to them.

But on the other side Tucker makes a living doing that very thing to folks on the Left.

As I said I watch him from time to time. It might be a case of the chickens coming home to roost for folks like Tucker who misrepresent and twist the events of the day to fit his own narrative.

Now, that being said, I actually do think Tucker is taking a softer line on Russia (or has in the past) since his audience is somewhat primed for it, if it can be used to make the Biden Administration look bad.

That's the corrosion here. Tucker is focused on trying to make points against the Left and in doing that he's providing easily leveraged propaganda for the Russians. He's more focused on division at home (and widening that division) which is exactly what Russia wants. It's just icing on the cake that so many of his comments can be used directly and without any editing to give aid and comfort to Putin.

He shouldn't be silenced at all! He has freedom of speech. But he must be aware of the field he has put himself on and be aware of how his actions have impacts beyond, perhaps, what he originally intended.

Let’s be clear. I am not calling for him to be silenced. His work should be highlighted for all to see.

essentialsaltes · Mar 15, 2022

Hammster said:
We shouldn’t be giddy in calling them out if a foreign country is...

Many people have been calling him out (possibly even giddily) for the things he's been saying for a long time before Putin's sudden [?] interest.
Tucker Carlson Lead Writer Quits After Racist, Sexist Posts Unearthed
Tucker Carlson Solves White Supremacy Problem
Tucker Carlson: metric system is weird, utopian, inelegant, creepy

And the occasional booster:
Fox Tucker Carlson #1 in all cable news

dqhall · Mar 15, 2022

Hammster said:
I don’t watch his show. But it’s incredible to think that anyone believes that Russia is using fragments of his commentary (or any American new source) with any level of integrity.

I tuned in occasionally to try to hear what Fox is doing other than complain about Democrats. Sometime after the Russians invaded Ukraine, Tucker Carlson was apologizing for making too many pro-Russian comments. I remember Trump supporter’s were trying to make a case against Biden’s son helping the Ukrainians.

This war is a wake up call for NATO to be strong and vigilant. The Russian army is allowing their soldiers to loot Ukrainian property.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-troops-looting-throughout-ukraine-26466129

Always in His Presence · Mar 15, 2022

cow451 said:
Kremlin sent out talking points to state-friendly media outlets with a request: Use more Tucker Carlson.

Reportedly Carlson has become a regular feature on Russian state media outlets.

Carlson is a “talking head” on American cable news channel Новости лисы

Mother Jones? The left’s equivalent of Q’Anon.

Hammster · Mar 15, 2022

essentialsaltes said:
Many people have been calling him out (possibly even giddily) for the things he's been saying for a long time before Putin's sudden [?] interest.
Tucker Carlson Lead Writer Quits After Racist, Sexist Posts Unearthed
Tucker Carlson Solves White Supremacy Problem
Tucker Carlson: metric system is weird, utopian, inelegant, creepy

And the occasional booster:
Fox Tucker Carlson #1 in all cable news

Thanks for the example of fragments.

Lukaris · Mar 15, 2022

FireDragon76 said:
It's not a new Cold War, just a holy war by one guy and a few of his sycophants living in dark fantasies.

And covering that subject in more depth:

I used to be an Orthodox catechumen at one time, I devoted years of my life to it in fact. I encountered alot of people that were into running away from the challenges of the modern world by hiding in a warped fantasyland within that religion. I have no doubt Putin's "faith" is the same as alot of post-Soviet, formerly atheist Russians, more superstition and romantic fantasy than ethical and ascetic.

Over 50% of Ukrainians are Orthodox Christians.

Lukaris · Mar 15, 2022

Ukraine always ends up in peril before and after the Trump administration. Putin picked up where he left off in 2016 and the current prez interfered in Ukrainian affairs when he was vice prez:

Opinion: Joe Biden Forced Ukraine to Fire Prosecutor for Aid Money

I have never watched Tucker Carlson and he is probably about as relevant to the current crisis as Mother Jones.

Meanwhile maybe the truth is starting to emerge on who are the real culprits who have undermined Ukraine.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...r-biden-joe-biden-president-business-dealings

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ws...adimir-putin-russia-angela-merkel-11646692058

wing2000 · Mar 15, 2022

Lukaris said:
Ukraine always ends up in peril before and after the Trump administration. Putin picked up where he left off in 2016 and the current prez interfered in Ukrainian affairs when he was vice prez:

Opinion: Joe Biden Forced Ukraine to Fire Prosecutor for Aid Money

I have never watched Tucker Carlson and he is probably about as relevant to the current crisis as Mother Jones.

Meanwhile maybe the truth is starting to emerge on who are the real culprits who have undermined Ukraine.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...r-biden-joe-biden-president-business-dealings

Yea, those Bidens are Russian assets

Opdrey · Mar 15, 2022

stevil said:
Tucker has said many times that he sides with Russia

I think that's pretty clear, but some people rightfully want to give him at least the benefit of the doubt.

What I see with Tucker is that he hitched his wagon to Trump and MAGA. Trump and MAGA both had, as a central tenant, that Putin was an OK-guy. Trump fought against imposing sanctions against Russia but was ultimately forced to do so. He consistently praised Putin (as most leaders do to each other) but his went a bit further into the area of kowtowing.

This is not a surprise given how much of his funding over the past few decades has come from Russia (owing to so many banks in the West refusing to do business with him due to his unrelenting dishonesty). So there's little chance that Trump isn't beholden to some Oligarchs in Putins' circle.

I honestly don't know what motivation Tucker C. would have to kowtow to Putin, but his language indicates that very much so. However I honestly suspect he's just trying to make hay at the expense of the current administration and if it means sounding like Lindbergh talking about Hitler in the 1930's then it's what has to be done.

The end justifies the means.

And, again, it could be that Tucker thinks he's providing a nuanced conversation and a "devil's advocate" position. But if that's the case he's not quite nailing it.

FreeinChrist · Mar 15, 2022

ADVISOR HAT

A thread clean has been done. Please keep it civil and do not poke at each other.
If your post is about "you" (the other member), rethink your post before clicking to post.

stevil · Mar 15, 2022

Opdrey said:
What I see with Tucker is that he hitched his wagon to Trump and MAGA.

Watching Tucker or pretty much any other Fox News opinion show is kinda like watching professional wrestling.

The professional wrestlers aren't actually wrestlers and they aren't actually wrestling, they aren't competing although they look like they are wrestling, look like they are competing. It is a fantasy world full of "drama" and "excitement". And get's the fans all in a tither, and so they keep tuning in.

Similar to Fox news opinion shows, These people aren't journalists, and they aren't reporting the news. They look like journaists, it looks like they are reporting news. And the stories they convey are a fantasy full of "drama" and "excitement". And get's the fans all in a tither, and so they keep tuning in.

Ultimately money and fame is the goal. They will say whatever that gets their fans engaged and for many of their fans it is about opposing liberals. So that means name calling "Radical left", "socialist Democrats", "the squad" and working up "issues" which aren't even topics of the left (CRT, open borders, taking away guns) and opposing at every turn anything that "left" are likely to support (vaccines, masks, religious liberty, anti discrimination, abortion choice).

For some reason Tucker has decided to promote support of Russia (of course the "left" will support Ukraine, as will most westerners). Perhaps due to Trump's enduring love for and kowtowing to Putin.

But really, we don't know what Tucker's personal opinion on topics are.
In his show, he is a character, an opposer of democrats, an opposer of governments and institutions, an opposer of vaccines and masks and a support of Russia.
These things invigorate Tucker's fan base and so he gives them what he thinks they want. In return he gets wealth and fame.

Bradskii · Mar 15, 2022

stevil said:
In return he gets wealth and fame.

A Faustian bargain if ever there was one.

Kremlin Considers Tucker Carlson an Asset?

Fact-Based Lifeform

Standing with Ukraine.

Standing with Ukraine.

Carpe Chaos

Well-Known Member

Carpe Chaos

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Standing with Ukraine.

Fact-Based Lifeform

Well-Known Member

Jesus is the only Way

Carpe Chaos

Orthodox Christian

Orthodox Christian

E pluribus unum

Well-Known Member

CF Advisory team

Godless and without morals

Old age should burn and rave at close of day;

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency