Redwolf said:
When you read any verse in the Koran, you can be sure that someone, somewhere is repealing it. And repealing it, and repealing it.
abrogation
n : the act of abrogating; an official or legal cancellation [syn:
repeal,
annulment]
The Baydawi says in p. 22,"This verse was given because the Jews and the infidels said that Muhammad ordered his followers to do something, then He prohibited them from it and commanded them to do something opposite to it. Abrogation means eliminating reading it as an act of worship or eliminating the ordinance inferred from it, or both of them. To forget it means to remove it from hearts."
The link provides excellent reading on this phenomenon and will help you understand Islam.
http://answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv10.html
In chapter 2:106, the Qur’an plainly indicates, "Such of our revelation as we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof."
In their interpretation of this verse (p. 16), the Jalalan say that God’s intention for this verse is,
"To eliminate the ordinance of the verse either with its wording or to keep the wording and eliminate the ordinance, or we make you O, Muhammad, to forget it; namely, we will remove it from your heart" (p. 16).
The Baydawi says in p. 22,"This verse was given because the Jews and the infidels said that Muhammad ordered his followers to do something, then He prohibited them from it and commanded them to do something opposite to it. Abrogation means eliminating reading it as an act of worship or eliminating the ordinance inferred from it, or both of them. To forget it means to remove it from hearts."
Refer also to the Zamakh-shari in "al-Kash-shaf" (part I, p. 303). In part 3, p. 59 the Suyuti says, "Abrogation means the removal as it is mentioned in chapter Haj: 52, and it means alteration."
Now who the heck is Baydawi and shalabi, they are not well known scholars who have authority in islam, even the books they quote from
Zamakh-shari in "al-Kash-shaf" (part I, p. 303.
Asbab al-Nuzul
What the hell is that. I am a student of Islam and also Comaparative religion as far as islam goes i sure don't take anything from these people metioned.These are unauthentic books, and also i checked the link you provided.AnsweringIslam, bunch of anti islamist , haters who are biased against Islam, do you not have any more genuine sources.
secondly these people are cunning with their deception.They try to fool the mass who have no knowledge and make them beleive this is true.Now look how they deceive:
1 they quote from unauthentic sources.Shalabi? as if he is an authority in Islam.
2: look at the way they quote the Hadeeth this is deception at the highest order, check this out:
The article in the link says:
This is clear from the above illustrations and the incidents recorded in the Sahih of the Bukhari, (part 3, p. 223, and part 8, p. 91). The Bukhari says,
"Aisha said, The prophet heard a man reciting in the mosque. He said, ‘May God have mercy on him, he has reminded me of such and such verses which I dropped from Sura so and so."’
now here is how Bukhari table of contents with the reference shown above:
Bk. 3: Knowledge......... 22
Bk.8: Prayers(Salat).......91
Guess what It does not just say part 3 page whatever it gives the book and also the Subject matter, and guess what that hadeeth our dear friend mentioned does not feature in either of them they are nowhere to be seen.Look also how they deceive with page numbers and so on part 3, p. 223.If it is book 3 they are talking about i have posted the table of contents there is no book 3 page 223,it is page 22.Another thing is that every hadeeth is maticulously numbered. So if one quoted the book and the hadeeth number it is easy to find.here they lead you on a wild goose chase with their fake numbers and pages.This is the way they deceive.I wonder if that was the way Jesus told them to preach his message, since the bible says prove all things.
3: what the hell is this
"Two men read a Sura which the apostle of God had taught them, yet one night they rose up to pray but they failed to remember one word of it. The next morning, they went to the apostle of God and related it to him. He told them, ‘It is one of those, which have been abrogated, thus, forget about it.."’ (Refer to the Itqan, 3:74).
( Refer to the Itqan, 3:74) they expect us to believe a book we have never even heard of and have no authority.You expect us or ebven me a student of Islamic Knowledge and comaparative religion to be what's it called Itqan. what comic book do you come out of.
looking at the way you created this thread i thought you had some sort of a case, but I have been wasting my for the last half hour or so.
4.These deceivers usually take Shia literature add them with some orientalist literature and something of a sunni cleric and they here look he is our proof. They expect us to beleive them and he who has no knowledge of islam will take their word for it. Allah says in the quran:
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And mix not truth with falsehood, nor conceal the truth [i.e. Muhammad Peace be upon him is Allâh's Messenger and his qualities are written in your Scriptures, the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] while you know (the truth). [/FONT]
3:71 Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth, while ye have knowledge?
So these tricks are not new to us since the Non muslims have been mix truth with falsehood and want us to beleive it and Allah has warned us gainst them..
So bring genuine evidence
Produce your prooof as the Quran says and don't mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth..
In the mean time don't waste your time and ours
peace
yaqovzadeek
Aka james the Just
