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KKK imperial wizard: Neighborhood watch underway in Fairview Township
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<blockquote data-quote="Standing_Ultraviolet" data-source="post: 65452991" data-attributes="member: 266500"><p>Yeah...the Black Panthers have a lot more of a complex history than the KKK. The KKK started out as a social club, but because of societal factors at the time, it became a racial hate group with extreme rapidity before effectively breaking down and then being resurrected in the early 20th century. There's not really a lot there to discuss. They may not have been a hate group from the start, but they became one quickly enough that it startled Bedford Forrest, their first major leader, into attempting to disband them.</p><p></p><p>The Black Panthers, on the other hand, started as the original Black Panther Party. The BPP had its definite issues, and I'm not going to try to downplay those. It was militant, and members sometimes committed extremely violent (and even outright horrifying) acts. There were definitely racist aspects, particularly early on, and some of their anti-zionism could get into the blurred borderland between rationally considered streams of opposition to Israeli settlement and pure anti-semitism.</p><p></p><p>The <em>New</em> Black Panther Party, on the other hand, is a racial hate group, pure and simple. Even with its many issues, members of the original BPP frown on the NBPP and do not consider it a legitimate successor to their ideological tradition.</p><p></p><p>When considering the complicated legacy of the original Black Panther Party, you have to separate it from the newer group. With the KKK, while there isn't a direct line of succession, the ideological succession is pretty clear. With the Black Panthers, I would consider posting quotes on the issue of race from the older and newer groups for consideration, but some of the ones from the New Black Panther Party would have to be censored so heavily that they would be unintelligible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Standing_Ultraviolet, post: 65452991, member: 266500"] Yeah...the Black Panthers have a lot more of a complex history than the KKK. The KKK started out as a social club, but because of societal factors at the time, it became a racial hate group with extreme rapidity before effectively breaking down and then being resurrected in the early 20th century. There's not really a lot there to discuss. They may not have been a hate group from the start, but they became one quickly enough that it startled Bedford Forrest, their first major leader, into attempting to disband them. The Black Panthers, on the other hand, started as the original Black Panther Party. The BPP had its definite issues, and I'm not going to try to downplay those. It was militant, and members sometimes committed extremely violent (and even outright horrifying) acts. There were definitely racist aspects, particularly early on, and some of their anti-zionism could get into the blurred borderland between rationally considered streams of opposition to Israeli settlement and pure anti-semitism. The [I]New[/I] Black Panther Party, on the other hand, is a racial hate group, pure and simple. Even with its many issues, members of the original BPP frown on the NBPP and do not consider it a legitimate successor to their ideological tradition. When considering the complicated legacy of the original Black Panther Party, you have to separate it from the newer group. With the KKK, while there isn't a direct line of succession, the ideological succession is pretty clear. With the Black Panthers, I would consider posting quotes on the issue of race from the older and newer groups for consideration, but some of the ones from the New Black Panther Party would have to be censored so heavily that they would be unintelligible. [/QUOTE]
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