KingdomOffer?

[Hitch]

DFs teach that Christ offered to set up a temporal kingdom in the first century. According to the same doctrine Christ was later morally and officially rejected and whithdrew that offer and replaced it with an offer of 'rest and service'.

I defy anyone holding to 'dispensational truth' to provide a single example and/or passage that containes .describes,defines,mentions, alludes to or includes this.

Take care

Hitch

 

[Hitch]

Lol

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

Your post is not clear, in fact its confusing.

Please explain your terms. What's a "DF"?

 

[Ebb]

Dispensationalists/Futurists

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

Hitch, are you a full preterist?

 

[Hitch]

Hitch, are you a full preterist?

No. Are you a full dispensationalist?

 

[Hitch]

Your post is not clear, in fact its confusing.

Please explain your terms. What's a "DF"?

LOL Its praticly quoted from the SRB , once again you have demostrated your lack of understanding dispensationalism.

Although I am aware that over the years some of the more ,,,,probelematic dogmas of day past have been carefully placed under the rug at President Swindoll's office.

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

LOL Its praticly quoted from the SRB , once again you have demostrated your lack of understanding dispensationalism.

Well quote it, then we'll compare Scofield's quote with what you wrote in the OP.

 

[Hitch]

Well quote it, then we'll compare Scofield's quote with what you wrote in the OP.

On page 1101 of your '09 SRB you will find;

The new message of Jesus. The rejected King now turns from the rejecting nation and offers not then kingdom, but rest and service to such in the nation as are conscious of need. It is a pivitol point in the ministry of Jesus.

 

[Terral]

Hitch:

Hitch DFs teach that Christ offered to set up a temporal kingdom in the first century. According to the same doctrine Christ was later morally and officially rejected and whithdrew that offer and replaced it with an offer of 'rest and service'. I defy anyone holding to 'dispensational truth' to provide a single example and/or passage that containes .describes,defines,mentions, alludes to or includes this.

Your challenge is based upon a false premise. Why should anyone accept an offer to prove what makes no Biblical sense whatsoever? Christ appeared and offered the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ (Matt. 4:23, 9:35) to Israel Only (Matt. 15:24). He then sent the Twelve out to preach the same message. Matt. 10:5-7 (compare Matt. 3:2 and 4:17 with 10:7). Later on the Twelve ask Him about His coming and the ‘end of the age.’ Christ says,

"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.” Matt. 24:14.

Did Christ come to set up a temporary Kingdom? If so, then why answer Pilate in this way?

“Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm." John 18:36.

What is Christ’s own words to the Twelve about why He came?

“Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." Luke 24:44.

Christ came into the world to do exactly what God sent Him to do. John 3:16+17, 1Tim. 1:15+16.

In Christ,

Terral

 

[Hitch]

Christ came into the world to do exactly what God sent Him to do. John 3:16+17, 1Tim. 1:15+16.

In Christ,

Terral





Then the Kingdom he spoke of was the prophesied Kingdom we all are past of today and not a temport or 'Davidic' kingdom as DF teaching has alleged for more than 100 years.

Your challenge is based upon a false premise. Why should anyone accept an offer to prove what makes no Biblical sense whatsoever?

LOL My pointt exactly T. The DF teaching that Jesus came to set up an earthly throne, aka the Davidic kingdom as defined be Scofield' makes no sense biblicly whatsoever'



Take care

Hitch

 

[Terral]

Hitch:

Hitch >> LOL My pointt exactly T. The DF teaching that Jesus came to set up an earthly throne, aka the Davidic kingdom as defined be Scofield' makes no sense biblicly whatsoever'

First off, whatever importance your DF has to this topic equates to whatever Scofield has to say, which is just about zero. Your question about did not ask for Biblical facts. It was a ridiculous question. The restored Kingdom of Israel shall see David sitting on his throne, according to Prophecy in the Old and New Testaments.

"Then I will set over them one shepherd, My servant David, and he will feed them; he will feed them himself and be their shepherd. And I, the LORD, will be their God, and My servant David will be prince among them; I the LORD have spoken. "I will make a covenant of peace with them and eliminate harmful beasts from the land so that they may live securely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods.” Eze. 34:23-25.

“Blessed is the coming kingdom of our father David; Hosanna in the highest!" Mark 11:10.

“AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, and I will rebuild the tabernacle of David which has fallen, and I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it.” Acts 15:16.

Elijah is coming to restore all things. Matt. 17:10+11. There is going to be a whole lot of restoring going on. Acts 3:19-26. Every word of Scripture was written by the same Spirit of God, and every bit shall be fulfilled whether it makes sense to men or not.

In Christ,

Terral

 

[FreeinChrist]

Hitch:

First off, whatever importance your DF has to this topic equates to whatever Scofield has to say, which is just about zero. Your question about did not ask for Biblical facts. It was a ridiculous question. The restored Kingdom of Israel shall see David sitting on his throne, according to Prophecy in the Old and New Testaments.

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Elijah is coming to restore all things. Matt. 17:10+11. There is going to be a whole lot of restoring going on. Acts 3:19-26. Every word of Scripture was written by the same Spirit of God, and every bit shall be fulfilled whether it makes sense to men or not.

In Christ,

Terral

Terral, I have never found that Hitch is really interested in discussing dispensationism other than criticizing it. Check his profile.

 

[Terral]

Hi FreeInChrist:

Free >> Terral, I have never found that Hitch is really interested in discussing dispensationalism other than criticizing it. Check his profile.

I could be mistaken, but it appears our friend has Hitched a ride out of town. He seems a fellow of very few words. Those who seek to tear down houses are never as highly regarded as those building them.

In Christ,

Terral

 

[In Christ Forever]

Jeremiah 51:47 Therefore behold, the days are coming That I will bring judgment on the carved images of Babylon; Her whole land shall be ashamed, And all her slain shall fall in her midst. 48 Then the heavens and the earth and all that [is] in them Shall sing joyously over Babylon; For the plunderers shall come to her from the north," says the LORD. 49 As Babylon [has caused] the slain of Israel to fall, So at Babylon the slain of all the earth shall fall.

Note the MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL and all the creatures feasting on all the slain of the earth as in Jeremiah 51. I will prove it is Israel as Mystery Babylon in revelation.

ezekiel 39:13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am GLORIFIED," says the Lord GOD. 17 " And as for you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Speak to every sort of bird and to every beast of the field: "Assemble yourselves and come; Gather together from all sides to My sacrificial meal Which I am sacrificing for you, A great sacrificial meal on the mountains of Israel, That you may eat flesh and drink blood. 18 You shall eat the flesh of the mighty, Drink the blood of the princes of the earth, Of rams and lambs, Of goats and bulls, All of them fatlings of Bashan.

 

[Terral]

Hi InChrist:

InChrist >> I know this might be slightly off topic but what if you found out that Babylon is on the mountains of Israel? Would that change dispensationalism much as far as Israel having a separate program?

Not at all. Babylon (Babel) of Scripture is the ancient capital of Babylonia on the EuphratesRiver far from the Mountains of Israel. Israel is a separate program, because OT prophecy pertains to Israel and her people. Our Mystery church (Eph. 5:30-32), like our ‘gospel’ is about the ‘revelation of the Mystery’ (Rom. 16:25). Very simply put: Israel is the Prophetic Bride (Hosea 2:19+20, John 3:29) and our church today is the Mystery Body (Col. 1:24-27). The OT Prophets saw the Bride but not the Body. That is the simple overview lesson of our New Testament.

InChrist >> Jeremiah 51:47 Therefore behold, the days are coming That I will bring judgment on the carved images of Babylon; Her whole land shall be ashamed, And all her slain shall fall in her midst. 48 Then the heavens and the earth and all that [is] in them Shall sing joyously over Babylon; For the plunderers shall come to her from the north," says the LORD. 49 As Babylon [has caused] the slain of Israel to fall, So at Babylon the slain of all the earth shall fall.

Nothing here places Babylon anywhere near the Mountains of Israel

InChrist >> Note the MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL in ezekiel and the day God glorifies Himself. Then notice the Great supper of God in revelation 19. See any resemblance?

These are descriptions of the Battle of Armageddon and the aftermath. Babylon is still on the west side of the EuphratesBasin from Jerusalem and the Mountains of Israel. The ‘body of Christ’ it gathered to the Lord when the ‘Day of Christ’ is ‘at hand.’ 2Thes. 2:2. These 'end time' events transpire at the ‘end of the age’ (Matt. 24:3-31). The Body is already with Christ for 1000 years by this time, starting in Rev. 1:10 (1Thes. 4:16+17). The ‘bride’ endures through the tribulation to Matt. 24:31, while were taken before the kingdom was ever restored. Prophecy and the Mystery are two totally different parts of Scripture that do not intersect in any way shape or form. The events of 1Thes. 4:17 occur a thousand years before the bride is taken at the end of the age.

In Christ,

Terral