Key To Heaven

[Mr Ez]

hi,

i was thinking about key to heaven in a christianity concept, somesay you have to belive in father,son, and holy ghost and belive that jesus was died to cleanse the sin of Adam that go through his generation, which is all of us on earth.

so what if someone belive in the above and yet he commit crime and makes other's life terrible. Will the person gain access to heaven ?

 

[tapero]

Hi Mr Ez,

The most common answer might be 'was that person saved in the first place?'

But I know my own heart and I know that I believe and am saved, and sealed by the Holy Spirit, yet I commit sin.

Also, some people change all at once on the outside. They stop doing the bad things they were doing. The inside is a lifetime process. Some don't change like this, and they change as they grow. They aren't growing if they are committing crimes most likely. They are not in the word. Many people don't read the bible yet they believe. It's hard to grow that way though.

But I commit the same crimes in God's sight if I just envy or lust, etc.

Personally, I am afraid to do wrong, yet I still do it at times. I have no doubt of my salvation.

A person can get hardened to what God desires. They don't hear what is being said and they go their own way. I guess I'm not confident to say whether someone is saved or not; I just know myself, and know how fallen I am - yet made new and righteous throught the blood of Christ.

Sorry this was so long, Thanks. Tapero

 

[Avaya]

hi,

so what if someone belive in the above and yet he commit crime and makes other's life terrible. Will the person gain access to heaven ?

The bible teaches that salvation cannot be lost. Once you are saved, you WILL go to heaven when you die. People will commit sins before they are saved and they will commit sins after they are saved. I believe that Judgement Day is the day we answer for our unrepented sins. It doesn't mean we will go to hell (we will not if we are saved), it just means we will answer (in some way that I don't know) for our unrepented sins. But if you are saved and you commit a crime, 1st your heart obviously isn't right with the Lord - but that is only for HIM to decide, not other people, and 2nd, you will still go to heaven if you are indeed saved.

 

[sinner/SAVED]

hi,

i was thinking about key to heaven in a christianity concept, somesay you have to belive in father,son, and holy ghost and belive that jesus was died to cleanse the sin of Adam that go through his generation, which is all of us on earth.

so what if someone belive in the above and yet he commit crime and makes other's life terrible. Will the person gain access to heaven ?

Everyone sins every day. Believers as well as non-believers.

 

[TheMainException]

If they are saved yes....all sins are equal in that they make you unholy in God's sight...but his blood can forgive ANY and ALL sins. I believe "once saved, always saved."

 

[Apollos5600]

so what if someone belive in the above and yet he commit crime and makes other's life terrible. Will the person gain access to heaven ?

We are justified by Faith alone to God, salvation is a gift and a gift is not earned, it can only be accepted. But by the very fact that you accepted that gift, then you can expect that there will be great changes in your life because of it.

The saved can live very imperfect lives, but this is true nomatter what.

All believers are born-again, we are now new creatures (1 Peter 1:23, 2 Cor 5:17). Though we still sin we are no longer its prisoners, nor will we be tempted any more then we can handle. The Holy Ghost now dwells within us, and works within us.

As new creatures, when we sin we repent, when we do wrong we want to make that wrong right, our character develops as our relationship with God develops. First we are saved, then begins the process of sanctification, becoming more like Christ, and finally in the end when we leave these fleshy bodies, we are glorified.

Now there are some who will claim they have faith but don't, or some who received the seed but the world choked it, or received it in joy but when things got too rough for him, he rejected it.

You will know the saved and the non-saved by their fruits. One has Faith in God and wants to become better then they are, the other thinks they are rich and are in need of nothing.

We are justified to God by faith in Him only, not of works, but amongst men we are justified to one another by our works and not just by claims of faith.

James 2

18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.


If a man does all those things which are contrary to God's commandments, even after being properly instructed on the way that he should go. Then you can safely question whether or not he is truly of God and not of this world.

 

[visionary]

Jesus does have the keys to life and death, but He is not as free with those who claim His promises as some suppose, there is a life that must be walked, a narrow path, there is a way, the truth, and the life, and if they follow Jesus they will find it. If they do not, then there is no salvation. People would claim then this makes it works and we are saved by grace, while resting on their laurels. God is not interested in the slothful. They are foolish in His eyes. GOd has not changed, Gopd has however revealed himself through Jesus as He walked the life he wants us all to walk, and it is the biblical judaism style of life that He gave mankind on Mount Sinai.

 

[Rafael]

hi,

i was thinking about key to heaven in a christianity concept, somesay you have to belive in father,son, and holy ghost and belive that jesus was died to cleanse the sin of Adam that go through his generation, which is all of us on earth.

so what if someone belive in the above and yet he commit crime and makes other's life terrible. Will the person gain access to heaven ?

Well. calling oneself a Christian and being one are two different things. Jesus said that there will be many that call themselves by His name yet He will say that He never knew them when they are surprised to find themselves at the Great White throne judgment instead of with Jesus when He returns to earth, as blessed are those that partake in the first resurrection.

Mat. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Re 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

We all sin, but God cannot be mocked by our sin; meaning, that I can not sin willfully against God and expect Him to wipe my slate clean, intending to do the same things over and over - misusing Him and the blood He shed.

Ga 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

 

[seremela06]

The bible teaches that salvation cannot be lost. Once you are saved, you WILL go to heaven when you die. People will commit sins before they are saved and they will commit sins after they are saved. I believe that Judgement Day is the day we answer for our unrepented sins. It doesn't mean we will go to hell (we will not if we are saved), it just means we will answer (in some way that I don't know) for our unrepented sins. But if you are saved and you commit a crime, 1st your heart obviously isn't right with the Lord - but that is only for HIM to decide, not other people, and 2nd, you will still go to heaven if you are indeed saved.

That is definitely NOT true. If you are saved when you're 12 and then when you're 21 you go out and kill someone and don't repent you will not go to Heaven. If you do repent and do it again, repent, do it again, and so on, God will get tierd of it and you will not go to Heaven. To know what is right and not do it is a sin. If you sin and repent you will be forgiven but "once saved always saved" is not true. If it was, wouldn't everyone just become a Christian when they were young and then live a secular life like the world around them? Look around you. Most Christians can be easily distinguished from the rest of the world.

 

[newlite]

That is definitely NOT true. If you are saved when you're 12 and then when you're 21 you go out and kill someone and don't repent you will not go to Heaven. If you do repent and do it again, repent, do it again, and so on, God will get tierd of it and you will not go to Heaven. To know what is right and not do it is a sin. If you sin and repent you will be forgiven but "once saved always saved" is not true. If it was, wouldn't everyone just become a Christian when they were young and then live a secular life like the world around them? Look around you. Most Christians can be easily distinguished from the rest of the world.

ive heard several ppl say that. im sorry but every bibilical versus ive read says different...i will never leave you nor forsake you...unless you sin, the versus dont include that...where do you get that?

 

[Mr Ez]

thank you everyone for the replies.

 

[Serapha]

That is definitely NOT true. If you are saved when you're 12 and then when you're 21 you go out and kill someone and don't repent you will not go to Heaven. If you do repent and do it again, repent, do it again, and so on, God will get tierd of it and you will not go to Heaven. To know what is right and not do it is a sin. If you sin and repent you will be forgiven but "once saved always saved" is not true. If it was, wouldn't everyone just become a Christian when they were young and then live a secular life like the world around them? Look around you. Most Christians can be easily distinguished from the rest of the world.

Hi there!



The doctrine of eternal security is supported by biblical passages. You have posted the most "general" statements concerning what most see as the error of OSAS. What you haven't acknowledged is that God is in the life-changing business.

When you were saved, didn't God change you? What changes is your relationship with God. If there is an assurance that one is a child of God, then that relationship remain intact. The fellowship with God may suffer, but the relationship remains intact.

If it was, wouldn't everyone just become a Christian when they were young and then live a secular life like the world around them? Look around you.

There is a difference between a conversion to Christianity and "fire insurance"... and because of God's omniscience, He knows the difference.


~serapha~

 

[Serapha]

hi,

i was thinking about key to heaven in a christianity concept, somesay you have to belive in father,son, and holy ghost and belive that jesus was died to cleanse the sin of Adam that go through his generation, which is all of us on earth.

so what if someone belive in the above and yet he commit crime and makes other's life terrible. Will the person gain access to heaven ?

HI there!



Sometimes for a clear understanding it helps to look at the Greek text. For example, the English translation of "transgressions" and "sin" are that they interchangeable, but in the Greek text, they have different connotations

Sin is from the Greek word "hamartia", and it means, literally, missing the mark. For whatever the goal is, you have missed the mark. The intention in sin is to miss the mark.



In comparison, transgressions are from the Greek parabasis, "a going aside, an overstepping". Transgression, in comparision, to sin, is not missing the mark, but failing to hit the mark.... overstepping. The intent is still to hit the mark. In sin, the intent is to miss the mark.



Paul writes of transgressions and sins. In studying the verse, and comparing it to Paul's other writings, Paul writes the "sins" are for the Gentiles, those who are yet unsaved, and "transgressions" are for the converted Jews who have heard the word and made the decision to follow the teachings of Christ.



When you are converted to Christ, your heart no longer intends to sin. If you are truly saved, you are a new creation, and your intention will be to hit the mark every time. You are not a modified creation, but a new creation in Christ. The old creation is gone. Original sin is a part of the old creation. As a new creation, you are reconciled to God, and your heart's intent is to serve God. You will have transgressions in your life which require repentance, and you will fall short of the mark many, many times; but you will never miss the mark completely again. The intent of your heart is on God. If your intent is not on God, you have not truly had a conversion in your heart.


~serapha~