Kerry on 2nd amendment

[Billnew]

"I support the 2nd amendment"Kerry stated in a speech," I am a hunter, and I support other hunters, But I have never went hunting with an AK47."

He supports the 2nd amendment? Does he even know what it says?

A well regulated hunting force being neccessary to security of a free state...

No... thats not right.


Amendment II



A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

I don't see hunting mentioned in there at all.

Can he open his mouth without making a mistake?

 

[Voter]

"I support the 2nd amendment"Kerry stated in a speech," I am a hunter, and I support other hunters, But I have never went hunting with an AK47."

He supports the 2nd amendment? Does he even know what it says?

A well regulated hunting force being neccessary to security of a free state...

No... thats not right.


Amendment II



A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

I don't see hunting mentioned in there at all.

Can he open his mouth without making a mistake?

Ohhhh, so hunters aren't people!!!! That's odd, because the ones I've run pointer dogs with all really looked like people. Maybe they're pod people?

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

So everyone who owns a gun is in the militia, right? Because, let's just say that we were suddenly invaded... A hand gun, a rifle, or even a machine gun aren't really going to help, much. Bombs. Airplanes. Anti-aircraft weaponry. Those would help some if we were invaded.

Instead of making up mistakes for Kerry, you could just talk about actual mistakes that Bush says... like OB/GYN's not being able to love their patients, or how our enemies are thinking up ways to hurt America and so are we...

I mean, there are thousands, probably.

 

[HumbleMan]

What does his mention of hunting have to do with anything? One of the most avid (or rabid) groups of gun owners claim hunting as their reason to own arsenals. He was saying that he hunts, too, but doesn't need a semi automatic with a 15 round clip to hit a deer.

 

[PatrickM]

But did anyone notice how uncomfortable Kerry looked in that photo-op holding up that rifle? I could've sworn he looked at both ends to see which one was the "front"!

Flash-backs of Dukakis riding in a tank with his name taped to his helmet, like freshman in gym class with their names scrawled on their T-shirts!

 

[xMinionX]

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

I don't see hunting mentioned in there at all.

Can he open his mouth without making a mistake?

Oh, geez, you know what he was talking about. He was making a point that people don't need AK47s and rocket launchers for personal use. If you need to protect your home or go hunting, there are weapons for that. High powered assault rifles and submachine guns are not those.

That was his point.

 

[Billnew]

Ohhhh, so hunters aren't people!!!! That's odd, because the ones I've run pointer dogs with all really looked like people. Maybe they're pod people?

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

So everyone who owns a gun is in the militia, right? Because, let's just say that we were suddenly invaded... A hand gun, a rifle, or even a machine gun aren't really going to help, much. Bombs. Airplanes. Anti-aircraft weaponry. Those would help some if we were invaded.

Instead of making up mistakes for Kerry, you could just talk about actual mistakes that Bush says... like OB/GYN's not being able to love their patients, or how our enemies are thinking up ways to hurt America and so are we...

I mean, there are thousands, probably.

The people are hunters, Housewives, businessmen, and anyother law abiding citizen. According to US CODE 10, All able bodied men from 17-65(having never comitted a felony) are apart of the unorganized militia. Sorry girls turn in them guns.

What I said was, the second amendment doesn't allow hunting it allows ownership of firearms by the people.

Tell the Polish resistance a pistol or rifle won't be much help. Terrorist groups in Greece have killed many officials and others with one stolen .45 cal pistol.

It's not the amount of bullets you spit out but what they hit.

I won't even touch the off topic reference, because I am afraid to ask. OB/GYN love?

 

[Gunny]

John Kerry and the Second Amendment



Kerry told the party faithful that Democrats "cannot afford to be a party that reads the wrong lessons from the last elections. . . . I come here to tell you, we can`t go out and win elections by throwing out our principles. I won`t do it. I`m a hunter, I`m a gun owner, but I have never, ever thought of shooting with an AK-47 when I go hunting. And I will tell you, I don`t want to be the candidate of the NRA, I don`t want our party to be the party of the NRA. I reject that notion. We can stand up for safety in America and keep guns out of the hands of children and felons and still respect the Second Amendment of our nation." So what does Kerry mean by professing his "respect" for the Second Amendment? Let`s take an quick overview of his voting record. His earliest votes came during the mid-1980s battle to enact the Firearms Owners` Protection Act. Kerry voted against all of the NRA-backed amendments during debate over the bill, and then was one of only 15 Senators to oppose final passage of the critical package of pro-gun reforms. If Kerry had his way, gun owners would still have to register to purchase .22 rimfire ammunition, and we`d all be subject to a 10-year prison sentence for selling a gun to a friend or family member.

 

[Gunny]

John Kerry Wants to Ban Guns in America ​

Tuesday, August 10, 2004

John Kerry’s 20-year U.S. Senate voting record opposing Second Amendment rights brands him as the most anti-gun presidential nominee in U.S. history!
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HERE’S PROOF

FACT: Kerry has voted nine times in favor of banning semi-automatic firearms. 1

FACT: Kerry has voted to ban most center-fire rifle ammunition, including the most common rounds used by hunters and target shooters.2

FACT: Kerry has voted to close off hundreds of thousands of acres of the California Mojave Desert to hunting.3

FACT: Kerry has voted to hold the highly regulated American firearms industry legally responsible for the illegal acts of violent criminals.4

FACT: Kerry was one of only 15 Senators to oppose the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act, which ended alarming abuses being committed under the 1968 Gun Control Act.5

FACT: Kerry was one of only 29 Senators to vote to prohibit gun manufacturers from discharging debts created by the reckless lawsuits filed by municipalities.6

Cartoon courtesy of Jeff RiffleFACT: Kerry has voted to allow BATF to conduct unlimited, warrant-less inspections of FFL holders.7

FACT: Kerry has voted to criminalize legal sales between private individuals at gun shows.8

FACT: Kerry has voted against increasing mandatory minimum and maximum penalties for the illegal transfer or use of a firearm. And yet he has also voted to impose penalties of a year in prison and a $10,000 fine on an adult if a juvenile steals a firearm from him, and then merely displays it in a public place.9 FACT: Kerry has voted to force many small firearms dealers out of business, which would have impacted both the availability and price of guns, particularly in rural areas.10



FACT: Kerry has voted 11 times to force law-abiding citizens to wait to exercise their Second Amendment rights. He voted to keep the federal waiting period after the National Instant Check System was in place.11

FACT: Kerry voted twice to eliminate the Civilian Marksmanship Program.12

FACT: Kerry wants to silence gun owners’ voice. When NRA sought the same exemption from campaign finance rules that news organizations have, Kerry called that effort “hijacking America’s airwaves.”13

FACT: Kerry commended the Million Mom March for their march on Washington that included calls for gun owner licensing, gun registration and other restrictions on law-abiding gun owners.14

FACT: Kerry twice supported legislation that would have mandated the inclusion of trigger locks with any handgun sale, forcing individual gun buyers to purchase products they did not necessarily want or need.15

FACT: If elected president, Kerry will pack the U.S. Supreme Court with Dianne Feinstein/Chuck Schumer/Ted Kennedy-selected anti-gun activists who believe you have no right to own any firearm. FACT: Senator John Kerry has a 100% voting record with the Brady Campaign (formerly Handgun Control Inc.), a national gun-ban group.

[font=`Times New Roman`]DEFEND FIREARMS. DEFEAT KERRY.[/font][font=`Times New Roman`][/font]
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[font=`Times New Roman`]VOTE NOVEMBER 2.[/font]

For more information on John Kerry, please visit www.nrapvf.org.



1. Vote No. 24, March 2, 2004; Vote No. 295, Aug. 25, 1994; Vote No. 294, Aug. 25, 1994; Vote No. 293, Aug. 25, 1994; Vote No. 375, Nov. 17, 1993; Vote No. 365, Nov. 9, 1993; Vote No. 133, June 28, 1990; Vote No. 103, May 23, 1990; Vote No. 102, May 23, 1990.

2. Vote No. 28, March 2, 2004.

3. Vote No. 87, April 12, 1994.

4. Vote No. 24, March 2, 2004; Vote No. 25, March 2, 2004 ("poison pill" amendments).

5. Vote No. 142, July 9, 1985.

6. Vote No. 4, Feb. 2, 2000.

7. Vote No. 140, July 9, 1985.

8. Vote No. 134, May 20, 1999; Vote No. 25, March 2, 2004.

9. Vote No. 118, May 14, 1999; Vote No. 224, July 22, 1998.

10. Vote No. 227, July 30, 1993.

11. Vote No. 141, July 9, 1985; Vote No. 115, June 28, 1991; Vote No. 113, June 28, 1991; Vote No. 278, Nov. 27, 1991; Vote No. 53, Mar. 19, 1992; Vote No. 262, Oct. 2, 1992; Vote No. 385, Nov. 19, 1993; Vote No. 386, Nov. 19, 1993; Vote No. 387, Nov. 19, 1993; Vote No. 390, Nov. 19, 1993; Vote No. 394, Nov. 20, 1993.

12. Vote No. 325 Oct. 12, 1993; Vote No. 178, June 27, 1996.

13. Vote No. 64, April 2, 2001. 14. Vote No. 104, May 17, 2000. 15. Vote No. 215, July 21, 1998; Vote No. 216, July 21, 1998.

15. Vote No. 215, July 21, 1998, Vote 216, July 21, 1998.

 

[Polycarp1]

Gunny, you as a level-headed conservative with military experience and a supporter of law and order look tailormade to address a question that's been lingering in my mind.

Given the fact that criminal violence using firearms is prevalent in the larger cities, and that there are people "out in the sticks" who need firearms for their own safety, e.g., against wild animals, is there a proper degree of control that can be affixed to the ownership and use of firearms without violating the Second Amendment?

I personally feel that some degree of control is appropriate -- but that such laws do violate the spirit and letter of the Second Amendment, and that we should not subvert it, but change it to reflect the concerns of the 21st Century -- including both its original purpose and the divergent facts regarding the use of weapons in urban and wild areas. But I'd love to see what you, coming as you do from a political stance quite different from mine, have to say about it.

 

[notto]

But did anyone notice how uncomfortable Kerry looked in that photo-op holding up that rifle? I could've sworn he looked at both ends to see which one was the "front"!

Flash-backs of Dukakis riding in a tank with his name taped to his helmet, like freshman in gym class with their names scrawled on their T-shirts!

Umm . . I believe it was a shotgun, not a rifle.

 

[Firscherscherling]

Seems the "well regulated" part of the 2nd gets ingored a bit, doesn't it?

I'd be happy to register to buy ammunition. When people resist registration laws, it makes me wonder what they are up to.

 

[Billnew]

Thank you Gunny, I was at work and could not quickly find the actual text of what he said.

Great work on his voting record.
Ah, I think Kerry said that Vietnam and his past voting record is off limits to scrutany during this election.
You might be recieving a threatening letter from Kerry's lawyers. Althought he has nothing to hide.
Fear a government that doesn't trust law abiding citizens with guns. Be Afraid, Be very afraid.

 

[Tachocline]

Will the gun owners here tell me which well regulated militia they belong to and how many hours per year they donate to this? Thanks.

 

[xMinionX]

I'd trust a law-abiding citizen with an Army tank. However, the request of said Army tank would lead me to wonder whether or not that citizen was law-abiding at all.

Likewise with certain weapons.

 

[Billnew]

Seems the "well regulated" part of the 2nd gets ingored a bit, doesn't it?

I'd be happy to register to buy ammunition. When people resist registration laws, it makes me wonder what they are up to.

When government wants to know what I buy and for what I wonder what their up too.
The second amendment is the way you guarantee the rest.

Any holacaust begins with removal of guns. Jews were forbidden from gun ownership. Millions walked to thier slaughter. China had no fear of running over protestors, because the protestors had no guns.
An armed society has to be respected.

Remember, all persons are inncoent until proven guilty. So why punish the 96% of legal gunowners?
PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER, and martial arts.(martial arts=the art of combat)

Well regulated? How do you regulate a militia that has no firearms training?
Firearms ownership is the way for average people to practice on their own and in return costing less to train.

 

[xMinionX]

PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER

And you wonder why terrorists pop up and call us the great satan.

 

[Tachocline]

Any holacaust begins with removal of guns. Jews were forbidden from gun ownership. Millions walked to thier slaughter. China had no fear of running over protestors, because the protestors had no guns.
An armed society has to be respected.

Red herring alert via slippery slope argument.

 

[Billnew]

Will the gun owners here tell me which well regulated militia they belong to and how many hours per year they donate to this? Thanks.

USAF 6 years.
Now seperated and continue in unorganized militia.
as probably you even though you don't know it.

And you wonder why terrorists pop up and call us the great satan.

Yea, look how they arm themselves. I think anyone carrying an RPG should be shot on sight. ecspeacially in a war zone.
Peace is earned, not negotiated. True peace only follows victory.

 

[Tachocline]

USAF 6 years.

Not a militia

Now seperated and continue in unorganized militia.
as probably you even though you don't know it.

Which militia? Doesn't unorganised mean unregulated as well?

 

[xMinionX]

Peace is earned, not negotiated. True peace only follows victory.

Victory through destruction? You could learn a few things from Gandhi, friend. I don't like the degree to which the Mahatma takes pacifism, but he's got some good ideas.