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Philosophy only guesses and speculates. Not only is Einstein right according to the bible, The Westminster Divines said the same thing nearly 400 years ago explaining the bible.Non-sequitur. You represented him as an expert in the philosophical knowledge area known as fatalism. He is not.
We are not talking about how the universe works and philosophers don't speculate on cosmology anymore than theoretical physicists speculate about fatalism. It seems clear that you are not going to engage my arguments for free will in any sincere manner.
I don't plan on attempting to educate you in avoiding logical fallacies any further.
Best wishes.
P.S. "Ignored"
Can you give an example of something that Kent has proclaimed that has been debunked?He's not spot on. His arguments are outdated and have long since been debunked. He calls himself a Dr for crying out loud.
The OP was an example.Can you give an example of something that Kent has proclaimed that has been debunked?
That's one thing.... I believe that Kent Hovind has forgotten more than I will ever learn.The OP was an example.
Kent has a presentation style that is known as the gish gallop.That's one thing.... I believe that Kent Hovind has forgotten more than I will ever learn.
I said that Kent Hovind has forgotten more than I know... Your response changes nothing.Kent has a presentation style that is known as the gish gallop.
Ray Comfort uses this approach as does Ken Ham.
When dealing with objections that scholars make to their arguments, these individuals respond with a rapid-fire number of claims that can't possibly be addresses in the timeframe of the venue. This is NOT how scholars engage one another as it doesn't lead to gaining knowledge but to obscuring false beliefs.
If you watch this video you will see that in the presence of detailed discussions of how science knows certain facts, Hovind makes responses like, "I may have been born at night but it wasn't last night," intimating that all the cosmologists at universities around the world are in a conspiracy to misrepresent the data. He then changes the subject to discuss some unrelated topic, known in logical fallacy as a red herring.
We can catalog a large number of these logical fallacies and dodges in each and every debate. In fact I take some of Hovind's material and teach it to my college-bound Christian students in order to teach logic and logical fallacy. Unfortunately, Hovind serves as a bad example.
Now this is not to say YEC is wrong. It could be that YEC is correct, we just can't argue for it the way Hovind does.
I took it to mean you respected his enormous knowledge, not that you actually think his lack of knowledge is due to a memory problem with Kent or your lack of knowledge in this area.I said that Kent Hovind has forgotten more than I know... Your response changes nothing.
While you were writing you retort to my post, I was editing it with a bit more information.I took it to mean you respected his enormous knowledge, not that you actually think his lack of knowledge is due to a memory problem with Kent or your lack of knowledge in this area.
Sorry.
Given those constraints there are no inputs that could lead to you gaining knowledge in this area.
Hold a candle to his knowledge? He's a KJV only Baptist who has a diploma from a 'college' that is run out of a mobile home.I said that Kent Hovind has forgotten more than I know... Your response changes nothing.
You don't like him... so.. get to the back of the line... and it's a long line of people that don't like him... the line of people that he has debated is almost as long... the line of people who won't debate him a bit shorter...
He is a man of God and I doubt you can hold a candle to his knowledge...
He may use the "gish Gallop" but it's up to his debaters to take him to task for anything that he uses as an argument and expose it for it's problems... if there are any.
What exactly is your complaint? Hovind is showing that if someone wants to be an atheist they have to deny science because Science gives us overwhelming evidence that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. In this case Hovind is talking about Fibonacci numbers. Even a child can understand this because Hovind is saying: It ain't random folks. Evolution is based on what they call random events and there simply is no such things as random. Fibonacci shows us that everything follows a pattern or a predictable series of events. Hovind does not get into this but the reason for this is gravity. All of creation has to have this very exact and very precise structure to deal with the forces of gravity. Otherwise what we build would be crushed or destroyed. If we want to build something we need to know and understand this. Jesus talks about building on a firm foundation. Not on sand. The atheist does not want to build on the firm foundation of God, they want to build on sand and as Hovind would say: It simply don't work that way folks. Hovind gets into other mathematical facts but he does not name them. Like every part is a whole system onto itself. Each system follows Fibonacci numbers because they have to in order to survive the forces of gravity or they would be destroyed. The issue here is atheists have to have faith in what they believe. Only they do not have as much faith as Christians have because their logic does not work and what they build will not survived the forces of nature. For example, I keep bringing up the Oroville dam in California based on gradualism instead of catastrophic theory. Over 100,000 people were evacuated and were at risk to lose their homes because the engineers did not understand how to build a dam that would withstand the forces of nature. This is why science can not afford to deny creationism and people like Horvind. Because he is warning them basicly to not build their house on the sand of their random theory. Then atheists say we did not know we were going to have to deal with that much force. It does not matter. Fibonacci numbers are infinite and can deal with any amount of force the universe is able to produce. This is why when we look at the photos from the Hubble we see that all of the universe follows the Fibonacci serious of events. The micro world and the macro world follow what Fibonacci discovered and Hovind is trying to teach people. Even evolutionists admit that evolution is far from random and a highly ordered serious of events. Even though from time to time the random theory does rear it's ugly head. So they pretty much speak with the forked tongue of a serpent. They mix truth and lies together. This is why Abraham was told to come out from among them. We need to take a stand for what is good and right and true. Hovind refuses to associate himself with the serpents deception.I'm surprised Kent Hovind made the same error Ray Comfort made. Kent even quotes the Wikipedia article on broccoli, only to ignore that the article states broccoli was bred by farmers.
As if his dissertation opening with "Hello, my name is Kent Hovind" didn't reveal his qualifications before...
We are talking about the power of the unconscious mind and the power of the collective conscious. Not random bits of information taught at higher institutes of learning. We are talking about a pattern or a structure that all of the universe follows. On a micro as well as a macro scale.Hold a candle to his knowledge? He's a KJV only Baptist who has a diploma from a 'college' that is run out of a mobile home. He didn't know that modern produce looks nothing like ancient produce. I knew that.
Hovind believes that broccoli follow the Fibonacci numbers and there is nothing random about broccoli. Even evolution admits that evolution is a highly structured and organized series of events. There is no room for any sort of a random theory. Before Darwin they had what they called a spontaneous theory. Any random theory or spontaneous theory is just devil talk to avoid giving praise, honor and glory to God.Kent Hovind thinks God designed broccoli?
My son use to call broccoli a tree. Even as a child he could recognize that this was not a random series of events but well planned and organized. Today he is taking very advanced math at the university and he is well on his way to becoming a computer engineer with a minor in math. Even he graduated from High School with a years worth of college credit. Although his friends were ahead of him and they mostly graduated with two years worth of college credit. Of course they are only allowed to take the easy college classes in High School. They do not allow them to take the difficult classes until they are older. They do have classes like pre calculus to prepare them for the more difficult stuff. If it is possible to be prepared for that. We had a Chinese student that began taking advanced math when he was 12. He had the best math scores at the high school that year. Even with all of that he still had trouble doing the math when he got to college.If you know the bible teaches predestination, then God produced broccoli through the hands of those taking credit for it.
Ahhh... haters gunna hate...Hold a candle to his knowledge? He's a KJV only Baptist who has a diploma from a 'college' that is run out of a mobile home.
He didn't know that modern produce looks nothing like ancient produce. I knew that.
Hovind believes that broccoli follow the Fibonacci numbers and there is nothing random about broccoli.
Even evolution admits that evolution is a highly structured and organized series of events.
If it were not for philosophy psychology would be lost. Although I am not sure either one has many any progress in the last 2,000 years. They understood archetypes and personality types back then.Philosophy only guesses and speculates.
I already did, we see this sequence in the nautilus design. If you go to the gym maybe you have used the nautilus exercise equipment. We see this design used in sea shells. The strength of this design allows the shell to survive the forces of nature. There is a current in the ocean and there are waves caused by the moon. We live in a duel planet system where we have a moon and the earth so the ocean is effected by the gravitational pull of the moon. The fact remains that anywhere you go in the universe the laws remain the same. This is one of the beliefs of evo devo: developmental evolution remains consistent because evolution has to follow the laws of the universe. So if there is life anywhere in the universe it is going to be consistent with life here on the earth because the elements are all the same and all the natural laws that regulate those elements are the same everywhere in the universe. So if you were to go back to the beginning then life would pretty much end up the same way. Professor Gould at Harvard university believed that if evolution were true then everything would be different. This is the theme of planet of the apes were the monkeys evolved to be smarter than the humans. Based on Gould's theory.Can you explain why you think the Fibonacci sequence is so common in nature, and why the ratio is important?
There is artificial selection and natural selection. We see this with Joseph in the Bible around 3500 years ago. He worked for his father in law taking care of the sheep. He had a deal where the spotted sheep would be his reward or payment and the striped sheep belonged to the father in law. Joseph used selective breeding so the spotted sheep increased and the father in laws sheep decreased. We learn that Adam in the Bible was the first to apply artificial selection. He was the first husband and even today at the universities they still use the term animal husbandry. I have put quite a bit of research onto the evolution of domesticated plants and animals in the middle east. Theistic evolution offers very strong evidence that the Bible is accurate and true. If we do a study of botany of the ancient plants and animals in the middle east there is a lot of evidence there that the Bible is very accurate and very true.Broccoli was designed by people who bred it by the same process we see in nature. Random mutation, followed by selection. God made the system, humans just used it to design broccoli.
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