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Are there any other fans of Kenny G out there? I don't know all of his music but a few things I have heard, I really like.

I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. I don't consider his music to be jazz, but I really couldn't find another category to put him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGtTblTR0YU
 

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I don't care for his stuff at all.

He sounds just like he what he is, an accountant trying to play an instrument. By that I mean he sounds to me like he has no imagination.

If you enjoy his work, by all means continue to listen to him. I think you would do better to listen to Dexter Gordon, Ben Webster and Charlie Parker.
 
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I don't care for his stuff at all.

He sounds just like he what he is, an accountant trying to play an instrument. By that I mean he sounds to me like he has no imagination.

If you enjoy his work, by all means continue to listen to him. I think you would do better to listen to Dexter Gordon, Ben Webster and Charlie Parker.

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Kenny G ain't no accountant! He's easily the biggest selling instrumentalist in history, and can craft a far better melody than any of the saxophonists you mentioned. As well as play with greater sensitivity.

It was Charlie Parker and the rest of the Bebop crowd that caused the decline of jazz as a popular art form.

Judging by his astronomic record sales, Kenny G has stirred the imagination of millions, regardless of race or nationality.
 
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Are there any other fans of Kenny G out there? I don't know all of his music but a few things I have heard, I really like. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. I don't consider his music to be jazz, but I really couldn't find another category to put him.

Actually, most of his music is classified as "smooth jazz", whether some jazz purists like it or not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smooth_jazz
 
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First, you're right, Kenny G's music isn't jazz. He himself doesn't call it jazz and it doesn't fit the genre. Just because the music lacks words and highlights an instrumental break does not make it jazz. Next, he IS an accountant, a CPA by profession before he got a break as a musician, though ArJay probably could have stated it better.

Mass popularity proves nothing. If that meant anything, then Mariah Carey and Justin Timberlake would be considered musical geniuses. Kenny G's music is pleasant and relatively inoffensive and also unchallenging. Great music moves people, and is more than merely inoffensive.

For me, his music lacks a spark, a sense of soul if you will. He in no way should ever be compared to the greats in jazz history. If you truly believe he's in the same category as Dexter Gordon, Charlie Parker and John Coltrane you really show how little you know and understand about jazz as an art form. Those men had a passion, a fire, and an incredible musical imagination in their playing that is clearly evident. I'd suggest that you get some of Parker's or Gordon's records and listen to their interpretations of standards and then tell me neither had imagination or passion. For that matter, listen to their originals and tell me they're not moving and are unimaginative. Kenny G's music doesn't move, doesn't challenge. It just is.

Look also at the history of jazz. The beboppers did not cause the decline of jazz as an artform, it was already in decline starting in the post-war period before the beboppers came along. Fewer people were listening to jazz at that time. Ellington and Basie had both all but disbanded their orchestras because they were drawing fewer folks to their concerts. It wasn't till the great Newport Jazz Festival of 1958 that jazz had a renaissance. Some people blame jazz' decline on rock 'n roll, though I think that's a bit of a stretch. Music's popularity changes with generations. Before jazz was popular, folks listened to Tin Pan Alley songs, and before that classical. Did jazz cause the decline of classical? No, it was a generational shift. Each generation looks to move away from the music their parents listened to. It happens in every decade/generation and is not the result of a handful of musicians.

What Kenny G does have is a gimmick, one he uses to great effect, circular breathing. Wynton Marsalis also has it. Louis Armstrong was a kind, generous and magnanimous individual who was the ambassador for jazz for the better part of the 20th Century. He'd be proud of Kenny G to the extent that Kenny G brought jazz back into the limelight, after having languished in darkness for years. Jazz is all about evolution and challenging boundaries. Smooth jazz is another part of that evolution. I don't like it. If you do, more power to you.
 
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First, you're right, Kenny G's music isn't jazz. He himself doesn't call it jazz and it doesn't fit the genre. Just because the music lacks words and highlights an instrumental break does not make it jazz. Next, he IS an accountant, a CPA by profession before he got a break as a musician, though ArJay probably could have stated it better.

You're wrong on multiple counts.

First, most of Kenny G's music is classified as "smooth jazz", whether you like it or not.

Second, Kenny's first job as a professional musician was as saxophone soloist for Barry White's Love Unlimited Orchestra in 1976, when he was only 20 years old---BEFORE he earned his accounting degree and graduated from college.

So Kenny was a professional musician working for a major recording star, BEFORE he earned an accounting degree.

Please try to get your facts straight when making claims about people. :wave:

 
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Thank you. I'm sure Louis Armstrong would be quite proud of Kenny.

There's no doubt Louie would've felt honored by Kenny's rendition of "Wonderful World".

Like myself, Satchmo had no use for Bebop. In fact, he openly criticized it and refused to play it.

Armstrong knew as well as anybody, that Bebop helped kill Jazz's enormous popularity. Before Bebop, most Jazz was highly melodic and very danceable music. When Bebop became the preferred style of Jazz musicians in the 40's, it killed most of the general public's interest in Jazz.

During the Swing era, millions of Americans of all races would descend on their local Jazz clubs on the weekends, to enjoy the wonderful melodies and to DANCE. After the rise of Bebop, many Jazz clubs around the country shut down completely, because the general public just wasn't interested in melodically weak music they couldn't dance to. The sales of Jazz records also plummeted.

This all happened BEFORE the rise of Rock and R&B in the mid to late 50's, so those forms of music can't be blamed.
 
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The only "crime" Kenny G ever committed was playing a jazz instrument in a pop setting. Have some imagination, people. At least Kenny does.

Kenny's music is properly classified as "smooth jazz":

"Smooth jazz, also sometimes referred to as new adult contemporary music,[1] is generally described as a genre of music that utilizes instruments (and, at times, improvisation) traditionally associated with jazz and stylistic influences drawn from mostly R&B, but also funk and pop.[2] "

Rest of article at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smooth_jazz
 
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Yes, very properly classified.
personally, I like his music. Being a jazz player myself, i feel that yes, he does have some imagination!

Also, arguing over the famous music of Kenny G is not what this thread is for, is it? Because it's probably a waste of time.

Just to throw this in there, I read in the guiness book of world records that he has held an E flat note for over forty minutes!!! Talk about that!!
 
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Are there any other fans of Kenny G out there? I don't know all of his music but a few things I have heard, I really like.

I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. I don't consider his music to be jazz, but I really couldn't find another category to put him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGtTblTR0YU
Jazz instrumental pop is the genre according to Rhapsody
Sounds good.
:thumbsup:
 
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I pretty much agree with the above. I once saw Isreali saxophonist Gilad Atzmon do a brilliant parody of Kenny G - who basically repeats the same phrase over and over again and calls it improvisation - Gilad is so much better a musician, there really is no comparison.

I've seen amateur bands play better.
 
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Ahhh.. the classic Kenny G arguments are everywhere you go...

Well I don't think anybody can define jazz can they? I've studied music theroy for a bazillion years. Is jazz the study of sevenths? Does Kenny G's music have sevenths in it? Or is jazz defined by cool Cats who know better?

Kenny G is talented, if he ripped of the same notes on guitar that he does on the sax he'd be called a genius.

BTW did you know that BACH was not appreaciated like we do today during his lifetime? Hmmmm? wonder why that is?
 
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BTW did you know that BACH was not appreaciated like we do today during his lifetime? Hmmmm? wonder why that is?

Bach was ahead of his time. Kenny G is behind it. And Kenny G is not underappreciated - the man's a multi-millionaire.
 
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If so many people can do what Kenny G does, then why don't they do it.

Personally, I'm not a musician, so I have no bitterness about not being as famous as kenny G. He can do things I can't - unfortunately, given a choice between him and John Coltrane, I'd still go for Coltrane. Cause Coltrane could do things that kenny G wouldn't even know where to start. Kenny G is like uninspiring wallpaper. Coltrane is like St Peter's in Rome in comparison.
 
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Personally, I'm not a musician, so I have no bitterness about not being as famous as kenny G. He can do things I can't - unfortunately, given a choice between him and John Coltrane, I'd still go for Coltrane. Cause Coltrane could do things that kenny G wouldn't even know where to start. Kenny G is like uninspiring wallpaper. Coltrane is like St Peter's in Rome in comparison.

If you're not a musician, then how could you judge Kenny G as a musician? My impression as a musician is that Kenny G prefers a different style than what Coltrane played. He might be able to play circles around Coltrane.

But let's continue to bash Kenny G for choosing to play an instrument that many jazz musicians have played.

I would also venture to say that Kenny G's music glorifies God more than 99% of "great" jazz music has done.
 
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