Justaman.

ObbiQuiet said:

Edit: Something else... zoot, could you perhaps email me Justaman's entire play?

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(posting your email in a public forum is just begging to get spammed to death.. it's better if you just pm it to him )

That said... I feel for Justaman's family & friends.

I have no idea what his situation was.. but if it was something like a a social-bottomless-pit that he couldn't get out of, I can understand his actions.

I heard about it from FF too.

Sad, very sad

Hi Obbi,

"Thank you, but part of my reason for saying this is because I'm in the army. I'm surrounded entirely by dudes who just want to get drunk, get laid and fight. I just don't mesh well with most of the people here."

Wow! That's a surprise that you're in the army. I'd have never pictured it, but I can relate, on a smaller scale, using sports and the guys on my teams.

And the PM is always open.

Thanks for letting us know, Zoot.

How'd he go?

I'm so sorry that one of your friends (those of you who knew him) would take his own life. I'm sorry for his family who are left behind to mourn him, and I'm sorry for those of you who knew him, if even briefly. As I fight, for my own life, I am reminded of how fragile the human body is, including the mind.

Depression can be as debilitating as cancer is. So the battle he fought was probably similar to the one I fight now, though my battle is against disease that seems more acceptable for a point of discussion. Cancer, it seems, is easy to talk about, because everyone knows that it's something we (those who have it) can't help. In other words, we can't put forth effort to be happier, and suddenly be free from cancer.

Depression is often seen as something that one should be able to control, with human will. This may be the case for a minor depressive episode, caused by continually focusing on unhappy thoughts, but the majority of persons who suffer from a clinical depression have absolutely zero control over their disease, without medication, and/or some form of intervention, including spiritual. Talking with friends, family members, or even strangers can sometimes help, but in the case of a clinical depression, it will often have only a momentary effect. I say this to comfort anybody here who might wonder to themselves, about if they had only said the right thing, or done the right thing, this might not have occurred.

Mental illness is a disease, just like cancer is a disease. Medical intervention and prayer for the one who suffers from disease is very important.

Anybody here who suffers from depression, is welcome to ask for prayer on these forums. There are many here who would gladly pray for you, and even listen to you if you need to talk. Also, if you recognize the need for medical intervention but do not know where to go, please do not hesitate to say so. There are many persons in the medical community (including myself... though I am not well enough to work at the moment), who could direct you to a free mental health clinic in your area and/or a social service agency to help you find one.

May the Lord bless all who care enough to pray.

May the Lord soften the hearts of those who know of somebody that is hurting, so that they will reach out in compassion and love.

May the Lord heal the minds and bodies of those who suffer.

In all things, I give glory to the Father, who gives life, and who sent His son, to save us all.

peepnklown said:

Oh well, he’s in the nothingness now.

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There is no nothingness. I know you'd like to believe that there is, but you can't make it so, just because you want it that way. God is the final judge, so I will not even begin to guess as to where Justaman is. All I know is that God's words are true, and Jesus is the only way to forgiveness. (John 14:6) However, I also believe that just as children have an age of accountability, the severely mentally ill, and/or developmentally delayed, are covered in the same way that children are. Was your friend one of those? I don't know. God knows. God knows if Justaman was incapable of making choices, and incapable of having a rational thought. It appears that he was capable of doing such things, based solely on your descriptions of his activities. Did your friend have many occasions to accept Christ, but deny Him just the same? I don't know, but God does.

The one thing I do know, is that if Justaman could speak to any of you now, He would tell you that Jesus Christ is real, and that God does want to forgive you, if you'll only allow Him to do so, by accepting Christ as the Savior. Justaman knows the truth now, and God knows where Justaman is. It's not my place to determine, but it is my place to encourage all of us to look to our Heavenly Father for the answers.

Folks, please...
do you really think this thread should be turned into a discussion about the afterlife? Or that it is a good opportunity to proselytize?

Whatever views we may hold with regards to life, Justaman is gone. Whether we picture him in a spiritual state of eternal bliss or a physical state of decomposition, he is gone and lost to us. No more debates, conversations or chats.

Feelings of grieve and sorrow are for those who are left behind, not for the deceased themselves. Wherever they may or may not be, we will never see them again on this side of the Great Unknown, and that alone is hard enough.

I would like to send out prays and condelences to this just's family and friends. I know that he is in his fathers house where theres is no more pain.

wow how sad

i didn't know this person, but its so sad that another life is lost to suicide

I do not know if anyone here was his friend in person. i think a couple people here may have been. at any rate, if anyone here knew him well, i just urge ya to know to yourself that death is a sad and hard process that involves complex emotions. it's healthy to express those emotions to family or people you are a close to so if anyone here knew him find friends, family, spouse, a religious leader / mentor, bereavement counseling if necessary.

i think setting aside beliefs, it's scary for all of us to realize we must die, and because of this, while it is very sad when anyone dies, in our fear of death it can cause confusion and despair to think a person actually passed the edge of the knowable intentionally. Sometimes we get angry at these people and blame them for what they did and other times we feel sorry for them. grief is weird in that it comes and goes in cycles, and if you want to blame yourself, i do not think he would have wanted or considered it correct for anyone he knew to. Nor do i think it is right to blame him when he is a tragic victim of untreated depression but a victim all the same. I would propose that we respect and remember him for who he was and accept the decision (or mistake) that he made.

it is my belief that god will give him peace and it is the belief of those who don't believe in god that he is in peace in death. i think that either way we believe it happens it will be ok.

"Now may the Lord lift up the light of His countenance upon you, and give you peace, in your going out and in your coming in; in your sitting down and your rising up; in your work and in your play; in your joy and in your sorrow, in your laughter and in your tears."
-Thomas Graham

Doesn't life have whatever meaning we give it? When we feel that life has no meaning, are we capable of creating a need for ourselves and thereby creating worth?