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I think Trump is getting more mileage out of Biden's comment that Trump supporters are garbage.Or, people who weren't going to vote now are going to vote against him.
Who was eating cats and dogs in Ohio? Remind me of that one again.I think Trump is getting more mileage out of Biden's comment that Trump supporters are garbage.
Some comedian who no one has ever heard of making a comment pales in comparison to the President saying it
In such range of values, I would personally daresay that we are at, like, 0.2 or even 0.02, rather than at 2.I don't think that the sarcastic dismissive "You know Trump and Hitler both did <insert overwhelmingly common thing here - like they both had a sandwich" as a rebuttal against the "Trump is a Nazi" claim is a particularly effective one.
I get the point people are trying to make when they do that, but it's not particularly helpful in that it feeds into the left's talking points about "we take things like Nazism and fascism seriously and the other side doesn't take it seriously at all"
I think it'd perhaps be more effective to discuss it within the framework of the following two realities:
1) Every form of "authority", exercised to its full extent, would become "authoritarianism". Even forms of authority that people purportedly see as "good" would become seen as "bad" if the dial was turned from a 2 to a 10. (IE: "having police" = 2; "police state" = 10)
2) Every form of "nationalism", embraced to its full extent, can turn into fascism in the form of what people have labelled "othering".
We all have at least a certain level of both authority and nationalism we embrace. For instance, I like that we have things like police, a system of governance with checks and balances, and I like the fact that the US is its own country with its own (different) laws, cultures, and priorities.
So, one team saying, "Trump is like Hitler", and the other team giving a dismissive rebuttal in the theme "well everyone who drank water is like Hitler, cuz Hitler drank water" is missing the forest for trees.
The reality is, we all exist somewhere on both of these two spectrums.
The spectrum of "anarchy <-> totalitarianism", and "multiculturalist <-> nationalistic"
It's the old analogy of traditional light switches vs. dimmer switches.
If we pretend that those spectrums are represented by values ranging from 0 to 10...
And, if we pretend that Hitler represents the "10's" on both spectrums, what level does a person have to reach on those spectrums before it becomes a cause for concern, to the point where it's even worth drawing comparisons? and what objective metrics should be used to assign those values?
...because, as I noted, none of us is a 0 on either.
So the question is not "is Joe Shmoe like Hitler?", it's "to what degree is Joe Shmoe like Hitler?"
I know it's uncomfortable to think of it in that context, but that is the reality.
Merely by preferring that you'd prefer we delegate certain powers to the federal government (no matter how limited), and merely acknowledging that (culturally speaking) you'd prefer to reside in certain places over others, you're already on the "0 to Hitler" spectrums.
The reality is, we all exist somewhere on both of these two spectrums.
The spectrum of "anarchy <-> totalitarianism", and "multiculturalist <-> nationalistic"
It's the old analogy of traditional light switches vs. dimmer switches.
If we pretend that those spectrums are represented by values ranging from 0 to 10...
And, if we pretend that Hitler represents the "10's" on both spectrums, what level does a person have to reach on those spectrums before it becomes a cause for concern, to the point where it's even worth drawing comparisons? and what objective metrics should be used to assign those values?
...because, as I noted, none of us is a 0 on either.
So the question is not "is Joe Shmoe like Hitler?", it's "to what degree is Joe Shmoe like Hitler?"
My wife was a journalist for many years. They realized that the only thing the press has is its integrity. When it loses that, it becomes nothing but the National Enquirer. The MSM has descended below that. It is a sad display of the media going corrupt. I just cannot believe anything they say. Stunts like this reinforce the reality that no news media is left. We may have to go to foreign news outlets for our national news. Sad.I honestly don't think that the media realizes how unhinged it has become. They know that trust is at lows, yet they continue with insane histrionics like this. Then they'll bemoan the fact that no one trusts them any more and completely ignore that they frittered away what trust they had with nonsense like this.
So the Republican candidate has different targets. Schiff. Pelosi. He said Harris and Bidrn should be shot in the head. The media. Everyone who disagrees with him.Ah. So you agree with the comparison.
I mean, in 1930, they wanted to kill Jews, and in this rally, Jews were welcome and shown support. And you think those things are comparable?
Alrighty then.
The mainstream media is infinitely better than Fox and Joe Rogan.My wife was a journalist for many years. They realized that the only thing the press has is its integrity. When it loses that, it becomes nothing but the National Enquirer. The MSM has descended below that. It is a sad display of the media going corrupt. I just cannot believe anything they say. Stunts like this reinforce the reality that no news media is left. We may have to go to foreign news outlets for our national news. Sad.
The mainstream media is infinitely better than Fox and Joe Rogan.
That doesn't mean they trust Fox.The majority of Americans disagree. A combined 68% of Americans have little to no trust in the mainstream media.
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That doesn't mean they trust Fox.
Hogwash - prove it.He said Harris and Bidrn should be shot in the head
In their rush to slander. They don’t realize the building the Rally was held in didn’t exist in 1939
It was built 30 years later.
Hogwash - prove it.
On the "anarchy <-> totalitarianism" spectrum, I'd peg the US-republicans at somewhere around a 1 or 2 out of 10, and Democrats at maybe a 3 or 4.In such range of values, I would personally daresay that we are at, like, 0.2 or even 0.02, rather than at 2.
And, in any case, it's not like any of us in this thread will grab hold of actual political power at any point in our lives...
(...right?)
"Fascist." You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.The mainstream media is infinitely better than Fox and Joe Rogan.
And remember, most CNN, MSNBC and FOX shows are "opinion." It's the opinion of many Americans--including Trump's closest aides and advisors--that he is a fascist. So the rally comparison was inspired by Mille, Mattis, John Kelly, and many more. People relying on first hand knowledge.
I think part of the problem is that people have a hard time distinguishing news reporting from opinion. And that's not entirely unjustified, as many media outlets, particularly cable TV, don't make a distinction between them either. It can be hard, apparently, to find enough news reporting to fill a 24 hour broadcast day, and this is why you see a lot of opinion pieces that seem to be news reporting, but they're not.My wife was a journalist for many years. They realized that the only thing the press has is its integrity. When it loses that, it becomes nothing but the National Enquirer. The MSM has descended below that. It is a sad display of the media going corrupt. I just cannot believe anything they say. Stunts like this reinforce the reality that no news media is left. We may have to go to foreign news outlets for our national news. Sad.
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