Just WHEN Did Judas "Go Bad?"

[Bruce S]

Judas was a little different, he was the only Apostle from Judea, all the others were from Galilee

Jesus had the role of setting this up upon dipping the bread and offered it to Judas, it was the highest honor of the host to a guest.

What if Judas had recognized Christ as Lord he would have returned the bread, honoring him. At that moment he could have taken the offer and reciprocated.

It was only after Judas took the bread that Satan was allowed to enter him.


So, the question really is, just when did Judas go 'BAD?" Did he from the beginning be picked for his ultimate betray, or did Judas have freewill and could have remained a loyal Apostle?

 

[Foundthelight]

LK 22:1 Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching.

LK 22:2 The chief priests and the scribes were seeking how they might put Him to death; for they were afraid of the people.

LK 22:3 And Satan entered into Judas who was called Iscariot, belonging to the number of the twelve.

LK 22:4 And he went away and discussed with the chief priests and officers how he might betray Him to them.

LK 22:5 They were glad and agreed to give him money

JN 6:70 Jesus answered them, " Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?"

JN 6:71 Now He meant Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray Him
JN 12:3 Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

JN 12:4 But Judas Iscariot, one of His disciples, who was intending to betray Him, *said,

JN 12:5 "Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people?"

JN 12:6 Now he said this, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box, he used to pilfer what was put into it.

Luke says that satan entered Judas before the Last Supper.

John points out that Jesus called Judas a devil early in his ministry and later that Judas was a thief.

By these two witnesses I would say that Judas exercised his free will and was bad long before the betrayal.

 

[John Reformed]

Judas, as we all were, was born bad. The choices he made throughout his life were governed by the wicked desires of his heart. "Free Will" does not mean that fallen man is free to choose anything but the strongest desire of his heart, and we know what the Bible says about "the heart of man".

Because this is my first post, I will wait for a reply before offering Scriptural support.

God Bless,
John Reformed

 

[Andre]

Idon't think he ever went good...

 

[Preachers12]

Peace be with you.

Though he had free will, God (including, of course, Jesus), being eternal, knew what Judas would do. Yet Jesus selected him to be one of the twelve.

It seems to me that the changing point was at the Bread of Life Discourse (John 6). Judas, like many other disciples, could not accept what Jesus had said about eating His flesh and drinking His blood. But Judas did not leave.

God Bless,
P12

 

[Drotar]

Show me when Judas went GOOD.

 

[Drotar]

Just cause he rubbed shoulders with Jesus doesn't mean he was a Christian.

Judas, believed the Messiah was going to set up the Millennial Kingdom right then and there and lead the Jews into prosperity and freedom. So naturally, he tried to secure some sort of cabinet position.

When he learned that Jesus wasn't here to save them physically, but spiritually (at the time), he bailed. He did more than that, he KILLED Jesus indirectly by selling him.

Judas was NOT a Christian. At all. TTYL Jesus loves you!

 

[eldermike]

John 18:9 that the word might be fulfilled that he said--`Those whom Thou hast given to me, I did not lose of them even one.'

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in your name. Those whom you have given me I have kept. None of them is lost, except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

These 2 passages are linked in every commentary on this subject. Judas was chosen to be Judas before the foundation of the world. It's a huge lesson in God's sovereignty.

 

[Serapha]

Hi there!



Considering that the Old Testament predicted the betrayal and that Jesus knew, I could not conceive that Judas was ever a true believer in faith. Oh, yes, I believe he had the public profession of faith, but one may give a public profession without giving their heart privately.


[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]John 6:64, 71 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. [/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. [/font]
~malaka~

 

[Drotar]

There is NO evidence that Judas did anything remotely that would evidence his faith in Christ.

We're told he stole from the treasury, that in his heart he condemned a woman for breaking the perfume bottle in love, and that he killed Christ.

 

[1John5:3]

What can the story of Judas teach us about the need to surrender ourselves completely to Christ? Why does someone not need to do an act of treachery as blatant as Judas in order to manifest the same spirit toward Christ? What should the fact that Judas was "numbered among the twelve" tell us about assuming that church membership guarantees faithfulness?

 

[Crazy Liz]

If the lamb sacrificed on the Day of Atonement in the OT was intended to represent Jesus, then wouldn't Judas be the scapegoat?

 

[MikeMcK]

There are times when I can identify very strongly with Judas. I know that I've denied Christ by my sin and, just like Judas, the guilt was crushing.

He didn't have to hang himself. How could he have walked so long and so closely with Jesus and still not have gotten it?

There but for the grace of God go I.

 

[Crazy Liz]

Has anyone else here read the book, The Gospel According to Judas by Ray S. Anderson?

I highly recomend it. I particularly think you might like it, Mike.