Just one verse....

[RND]

Can anyone provide me with just one verse, just one, that shows that the blessing and setting apart (sanctification) of the seventh-day has ever been changed or altered to another day? Thanks in advance. God bless.

 

[Cribstyl]

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[k4c]

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I think Cribstyl has resorted to Moss Code...

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Can anyone provide me with just one verse, just one, that shows that the blessing and setting apart (sanctification) of the seventh-day has ever been changed or altered to another day? Thanks in advance. God bless.

There are no verses establishing Sunday as the sabbath. Most assuredly, Sunday is not the sabbath.

There are many verses that speak to the role of the law (of which the seventh-day sabbath is a part). On that subject, I'd recommend the book of Galatians.

BFA

 

[k4c]

There are no verses establishing Sunday as the sabbath. Most assuredly, Sunday is not the sabbath.

There are many verses that speak to the role of the law (of which the seventh-day sabbath is a part). On that subject, I'd recommend the book of Galatians.

BFA

Do you have to obey a police officer even if you're not under arrest?

Do you have to obey the Law even if you're not under the Law?

Both have power to bring to justice if both are not obeyed.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Do you have to obey a police officer even if you're not under arrest?

For example, if the police officer is seeking to enforce abolition laws, I do not.

Do you have to obey the Law even if you're not under the Law?

For example, I am under no obligation to obey British law.

Both have power to bring to justice if both are not obeyed.

Only if they have jurisdiction.

I still think that the book of Galatians has some bearing on the original post, particularly chapters 3 and 4. What do you think?

BFA

 

[RND]

There are no verses establishing Sunday as the sabbath. Most assuredly, Sunday is not the sabbath.

There are many verses that speak to the role of the law (of which the seventh-day sabbath is a part). On that subject, I'd recommend the book of Galatians.

BFA

Is there anything in Paul's letter BFA that say the blessing and sanctification of the 7th day was removed?

 

[RND]

For example, if the police officer is seeking to enforce abolition laws, I do not.

Do cops try to enforce laws that aren't on the books?

For example, I am under no obligation to obey British law.

What if you were in Great Britian? Would you then?

Only if they have jurisdiction.

God's word nolonger has jurisdiction?

I still think that the book of Galatians has some bearing on the original post, particularly chapters 3 and 4. What do you think?

Is there anything in Galatians that says the 7th day is no longer blessed and/or sanctified?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Do cops try to enforce laws that aren't on the books?

No. That was my point.

What if you were in Great Britian? Would you then?

Sure. However, my point specifically related to jurisdiction.

God's word nolonger has jurisdiction?

The old covenant never had jurisdiction over Gentiles who have no connection with Israelites.

Is there anything in Galatians that says the 7th day is no longer blessed and/or sanctified?

The book of Galatians deals with whether or not we are under a tutor, whether we are children of the slave woman or children of the free. In it Paul writes "now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you."

BFA

 

[RND]

No. That was my point.

Does God still have laws that He enforces?

Sure. However, my point specifically related to jurisdiction.

Does God still have jurisdiction?

The old covenant never had jurisdiction over Gentiles who have no connection with Israelites.

It did when they accepted the Passover and were circumcised. Same thing today. The New Covenant doesn't apply to those that haven't accepted the Passover and have been circumcised.

The book of Galatians deals with whether or not we are under a tutor, whether we are children of the slave woman or children of the free.

The promise as to where the line the Seed would come from wasn't made to Hagar's child but to Abraham's. Are you suggesting God didn't love Hagar or Ishmael?

In it Paul writes "now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces?

The 10 Commandments are week and miserable? I thought is law was perfect, just and good?

Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?

Enslaved? I thought the law made us free? Could you imagine a world where everyone kept the 10 Commandments? No more locks on your house, cars, your wife could walk the streets at midnght, your daughter would be safe with perfect strangers. Enslaved? Really? God was looking to mke us slaves?

You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!

Not me. Besides, name one of the Ten Commandments that involves observing days, months and years. Maybe you're thinking of Lev 23:37

I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you."

Why thanks Paul! Now, tell us where the blessing and sanctification of the 7th day was removed.

 

[honorthesabbath]

The Issue of Authority

 

[Cribstyl]

Can anyone provide me with just one verse, just one, that shows that the blessing and setting apart (sanctification) of the seventh-day has ever been changed or altered to another day? Thanks in advance. God bless.

Welcome back........ I'm not shock to see the socalled creation instituted sabbath at the top of your list. (as it is with all SDA)
What if God's rest and sabbathkeeping are two seperate incidents of God blessing and sanctifying a day? The sabbath is surely a sign of God's rest.

If people are silent to your question, it's not because you've presented a clear understanding about what is declared in Genesis 2:1-3 or anywherelse in the bible.

The truth of your inquiry seems hidden beneath misunderstandings and other unanwered questions about God's rest.

Three of those questions are:
Does the bible say that God rested weekly or only the first seventh day of creation?
If God finished and rested from all His work in 6 days why should we consider a continuation or pattern until God's word said He gave the the seventh day to keep?
Why does God explain by the mouth of other prophet when He gave the sabbath?


The blessing and set-apartness of God's rest is clearly understood to be on His throne in heaven, where no man can defile nor have entered therein until the curtian was rent and men with faith in Jesus Christ were given access. (Heb4)



Hbr 4:6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

This text reveals that the first people to know about God's rest were those whom Moses preached too (not Adam), and those who first heard it did not get into God's rest.

respectfully..

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Does God still have laws that He enforces?

Yes. The Spirit convicts with respect to sin and righteousness and judgment.

Does God still have jurisdiction?

Indeed He does. However, the old covenant never had jurisdiction over Gentiles who have no connection with Israelites.

The promise as to where the line the Seed would come from wasn't made to Hagar's child but to Abraham's.

Although I agree with you, I don't see the relevance.

Are you suggesting God didn't love Hagar or Ishmael?

No. However, I do notice that the command was given to get rid of Hagar. I don't see this as an act of hatred.

The 10 Commandments are week and miserable? I thought is law was perfect, just and good?

The letters engraved on stones are also described as "the ministry that brings death."

Enslaved? I thought the law made us free?

Take another look at Galatians 4. It paints a very different picture.

Not me. Besides, name one of the Ten Commandments that involves observing days, months and years. Maybe you're thinking of Lev 23:37

I agree that the entire chapter of Leviticus 23 provides a list of days, months and years. This includes verses 1-4.

Why thanks Paul! Now, tell us where the blessing and sanctification of the 7th day was removed.

Again, I would encourage you to take another look at the book of Galatians. I find chapters 3 and 4 to be of particular interest. BTW -- If the holy convocations of the Lord are meant to apply to everyone, then we'd better get busy learning how to offer animal sacrifices.

BFA

 

[RND]

Welcome back........ I'm not shock to see the socalled creation instituted sabbath at the top of your list. (as it is with all SDA)

Actually this wasn't the first thread I posted on when i came back. Nonetheless thanks for the backhanded welcome.

What if God's rest and sabbathkeeping are two seperate incidents of God blessing and sanctifying a day? The sabbath is surely a sign of God's rest.

Ex. 20:8-11 and Deu 5:13-15 should remove the "what if's" regarding the reason for the sabbath.

If people are silent to your question, it's not because you've presented a clear understanding about what is declared in Genesis 2:1-3 or anywherelse in the bible.

Sure I understand your point. Conversely it doesn't mean they have found anything in the Bible that removes the sanctification of the seventh-day in scripture.

The truth of your inquiry seems hidden beneath misunderstandings and other unanwered questions about God's rest.

Three of those questions are:
Does the bible say that God rested weekly or only the first seventh day of creation?

He says that He rested. Again Ex. 20:8-11 and Deu 5:13-15 give us the reasons for the sabbath.

If God finished and rested from all His work in 6 days why should we consider a continuation or pattern until God's word said He gave the the seventh day to keep?

Um, I guess that would again be because He stated the reasons why.

Why does God explain by the mouth of other prophet when He gave the sabbath?

I don't know that He does specifically. Why was the sabbath such a big deal to Pharaoh before it was written down?

The blessing and set-apartness of God's rest is clearly understood to be on His throne in heaven, where no man can defile nor have entered therein until the curtian was rent and men with faith in Jesus Christ were given access. (Heb4)



Hbr 4:6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

This text reveals that the first people to know about God's rest were those whom Moses preached too (not Adam), and those who first heard it did not get into God's rest.

respectfully..

And why didn't they enter that "rest?" That's right...disobedience. Disobedience to what? God's spoken word and commandment. Duh right back at ya!

 

[RND]

Yes. The Spirit convicts with respect to sin and righteousness and judgment.

So God still has a law.

Indeed He does. However, the old covenant never had jurisdiction over Gentiles who have no connection with Israelites.

What if a gentile decided to become an Israelite, what then?

Although I agree with you, I don't see the relevance.

Paul isn't trashing the law he's comparing it to the promises.

No. However, I do notice that the command was given to get rid of Hagar. I don't see this as an act of hatred.

She was told to leave for mercy's sake and her ultimate well being. No other reason.

The letters engraved on stones are also described as "the ministry that brings death."

When violated they do. I'm guessing you broke one or two. Will you die physically for breaking them? Could one die spiritually for not repenting for breaking them?

Take another look at Galatians 4. It paints a very different picture.

Again, Galatians 4 isn't referring to the law being done away with. It's comparing how the promise came about. Through Isaac, not Ishmael.

I agree that the entire chapter of Leviticus 23 provides a list of days, months and years. This includes verses 1-4.

So then we know Colossians 2:16-17 is referring to Lev. 23:37 then.

Again, I would encourage you to take another look at the book of Galatians. I find chapters 3 and 4 to be of particular interest.

Is there a clear verse that says the blessing and sanctification of the sabbath was removed? Please show me.

BTW -- If the holy convocations of the Lord are meant to apply to everyone, then we'd better get busy learning how to offer animal sacrifices.

Why? Didn't the One they all pointed come already?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Again, Galatians 4 isn't referring to the law being done away with. It's comparing how the promise came about. Through Isaac, not Ishmael.

As far as I can tell, Hagar represents the covenant that was from Sinai and the command was given to get rid of Hagar.

So then we know Colossians 2:16-17 is referring to Lev. 23:37 then.

It is my understanding that Colossians 2 relates to the entire chapter of Leviticus 23 and this includes verses 1-4. I just haven't found a reason to conclude that it refers to parts of the chapter and not the whole thing.

BFA

 

[RND]

As far as I can tell, Hagar represents the covenant that was from Sinai and the command was given to get rid of Hagar.

The point is that the promise that the Seed, Jesus Christ, would come, not from Hagar, the Mosaic law, but from Abraham and Isaac, the promise of faith.

Since Christ came then the ceremonial law was no longer required for what it pointed to, the promise, had come.

It is my understanding that Colossians 2 relates to the entire chapter of Leviticus 23 and this includes verses 1-4. I just haven't found a reason to conclude that it refers to parts of the chapter and not the whole thing.

Lev. 23:37 is just a summation. These things were to be done in addition to observing the sabbath of the Lord - verse 38.

 

[Cribstyl]

Actually this wasn't the first thread I posted on when i came back. Nonetheless thanks for the backhanded welcome.

It's a genuine act of peace to say welcome back. We're had blowouts in the past, but I'm not here for confusion or to stack up enemies.

I don't know that He does specifically. Why was the sabbath such a big deal to Pharaoh before it was written down?

It's coming back to me about coining the phrase "Q"uestion games.
Your questions are often designed to change what scriptures are actually saying about sabbath........... I guess you'll bring up Qgames about Joseph and Cain having the law to know about adultery and sacrifices.

Pharaoh never mentions any Sabbath., nor did he let them rest for 1 day..... These scripture proves that the same day Moses asked for six days off (3day journey one way) to go and sacrifice to God, that Pharoah gave them no time or days to rest at all.
Exd 5:1And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a feast unto me in the wilderness.
Exd 5:2And Pharaoh said, Who [is] the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.
Exd 5:3And they said, The God of the Hebrews hath met with us: let us go, we pray thee, three days' journey into the desert, and sacrifice unto the LORD our God; lest he fall upon us with pestilence, or with the sword.
Exd 5:4And the king of Egypt said unto them, Wherefore do ye, Moses and Aaron, let the people from their works? get you unto your burdens.
Exd 5:5And Pharaoh said, Behold, the people of the land now [are] many, and ye make them rest from their burdens.
Exd 5:6And Pharaoh commanded the same day the taskmasters of the people, and their officers, saying,
Exd 5:7Ye shall no more give the people straw to make brick, as heretofore: let them go and gather straw for themselves.
Exd 5:8And the tale of the bricks, which they did make heretofore, ye shall lay upon them; ye shall not diminish [ought] thereof: for they [be] idle; therefore they cry, saying, Let us go [and] sacrifice to our God.
Exd 5:9Let there more work be laid upon the men, that they may labour therein; and let them not regard vain words.

And why didn't they enter that "rest?" That's right...disobedience. Disobedience to what? God's spoken word and commandment. Duh right back at ya!

Oh brotha....

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The point is that the promise that the Seed, Jesus Christ, would come, not from Hagar, the Mosaic law, but from Abraham and Isaac, the promise of faith. Since Christ came then the ceremonial law was no longer required for what it pointed to, the promise, had come.

It's interesting to note that the concept of "the ceremonial law" cannot be found in Galatians 4. Instead, we find a reference to "the covenant that was from Sinai." The covenant that was from Sinai can be found in Exodus 19-20.

Lev. 23:37 is just a summation. These things were to be done in addition to observing the sabbath of the Lord - verse 38.

Although I have heard this explanation, I notice that verses 37 and 38 don't specifically mention the seventh-day sabbath. There are a number of convocations that come before verses 37 and 38 and the seventh-day sabbath is merely one of them. Nowhere in verses 37 and 38 is the seventh-day sabbath singled out as being separate from or in a different classification than the rest of the convocations.

BFA

 

[RND]

It's a genuine act of peace to say welcome back. We're had blowouts in the past, but I'm not here for confusion or to stack up enemies.

Then why the intference to my inentions Crib?

It's coming back to me about coining the phrase "Q"uestion games.
Your questions are often designed to change what scriptures are actually saying about sabbath........... I guess you'll bring up Qgames about Joseph and Cain having the law to know about adultery and sacrifices.

I know answering question can be difficult Crib. I'll try not to ask you as many.

Pharaoh never mentions any Sabbath., nor did he let them rest for 1 day.....

That's right Pharoah never mentioned the Sabbath, Moses did. Pharoah was perturbed because Moses had given the COI rest from their work and, as Pharoah said. "You make these people "rest" from their burdens." Past tense.

These scripture proves that the same day Moses asked for six days off (3day journey one way) to go and sacrifice to God, that Pharaoh gave them no time or days to rest at all.

True! But re-read verse five again. Pharaoh's complaint was that Moses had already given the COI rest from their burdens. He was already "making them" rest.

Oh brotha....

I admit it can be difficult to understand Crib. Try and keep up. Brotha!