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James 5:19-20
Jam 5:19 Brothers, if anyone among you err from the truth, and if anyone turns him back,
Jam 5:20 know that he who turns back the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

This says seems to say that those in the Truth can walk away from it can you guys help us out with that, as i know it goes against "P".
 

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Lets look at James 5:19-20 (KJV):

Jam 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jam 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Point 1: The Apostle James here is talking to the church, you can tell they are apart of the family of Christ by the use of the word Brethen.

Point 2: It talks about erring (walking away from) the truth, now the question gets asked what is the truth? John 14:6, Jesus says He is the truth, and it is the same greek word used here. So how can one walk away from the truth (Jesus) if they were never in the truth? It suggests a losing of salvation.

Point 3: It says 'let one convert him' Clearly suggesting that someone lost their salvation and they need to convert back.

Point 4: It says in verse 20 'That he that converts the sinner saves his soul from death' this is tied to verse 19, so a sinner (the one who was in truth) will die if he does not convert back. So it shows that he is now on a path to hell.
 
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1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they were of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out so that it might be revealed that they were not all of us.
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Jam 5:19-20 Brothers, if anyone among you err from the truth, and if anyone turns him back, know that he who turns back the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

This seems to infer that he was never saved, as Christians aren't called siners, rather they are called Saints, so one could say James is saying Witness to them because they aren't really saved.
 
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Here is what John Gill says about these passages:


It says 'let one convert him' Clearly suggesting that someone lost their salvation and they need to convert back.

This is the Calvinist, not the Arminian forum, a person CANNOT lose their salvation. Here are some passages which prove the point.

Ro 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 
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Antman_05 said:
1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they were of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out so that it might be revealed that they were not all of us.
i.e. they were not elect.

-- Radagast
 
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