Just a question...

[Graydon Booth]

So if Jesus gave authority to the disciples to (as Matthew 10:1)

Does that imply that Jesus got his powers from God? Or does this mean the apostles are now "God" because they have this power?

Now, I believe in the trinity, this is one question I've been thinking of all day.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Jesus is a member of the Godhead (what makes up God),

Col 2:9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;​

He also had the Holy Spirit.

Heb 9:14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
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The Holy Spirit is a part of the Godhead.

We as believers have the Holy Spirit in us, it does not make us God, it does not make us Jesus. It just gives us access to God. This access comes through agreement with God's word, or promises.

 

[ozso]

Jesus' power and the Apostles power came from the Holy Spirit.

 

[disciple Clint]

Jesus' power and the Apostles power came from the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is God He has all the powers that God has and does not need to depend on the Holy Spirit since the Holy Spirit has the exact same powers that Jesus and the Father have. One God Three persons.

 

[disciple Clint]

So if Jesus gave authority to the disciples to (as Matthew 10:1)

Does that imply that Jesus got his powers from God? Or does this mean the apostles are now "God" because they have this power?

Now, I believe in the trinity, this is one question I've been thinking of all day.

NO The Apostles are not God. God is much more than just having powers.

 

[rocknanchor]

'Worthy is the Lamb, , !' If I fashion anything that subtracts from this, I repent.

 

[Daniel9v9]

No, Jesus is God in flesh, and the apostles and all human beings are God's creatures. And the authority He gives His Church is to serve as His ambassadors to the world.

A simple way of looking at it is that God is one and almighty. Yet He often works through means. For our benefit and comfort, He uses people and things to deliver His good and gracious gifts. But that doesn't mean that people or things are God, but rather that God works through them.

To give you a practical example: God creates human life through the means of a mother and a father. Likewise, He gives spiritual life through His Church who proclaims Christ crucified by the word and power of the Holy Spirit. So God alone is God, yet in His great love for us, He works in us and through us.

 

[ozso]

Jesus is God He has all the powers that God has and does not need to depend on the Holy Spirit since the Holy Spirit has the exact same powers that Jesus and the Father have. One God Three persons.

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30.

There are several similar versions of that verse. When the Pharisees said Jesus was casting out demons through the power of the devil, Jesus told them they were blaspheming the Holy Spirit, because that's who his power came from. Jesus laid aside his Godhood to become the Son of Man, so he could suffer and die for us at the hands of men.

 

[sawdust]

So if Jesus gave authority to the disciples to (as Matthew 10:1)

Does that imply that Jesus got his powers from God? Or does this mean the apostles are now "God" because they have this power?

Now, I believe in the trinity, this is one question I've been thinking of all day.

God is all-powerful/sovereign. He has all power/authority.

Rom.1:20
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – His eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


No-one has authority/power without His permission including demons and/or unbelievers.

John 19:10-12
10 ‘Do you refuse to speak to me?’ Pilate said. ‘Don’t you realise I have power either to free you or to crucify you?’
11 Jesus answered, ‘You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.’

Job 1:12
The Lord said to Satan, ‘Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.’ Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

No-one can be God except He who is God.

 

[I's2C]

GOD is a GOD of righteous, Just and fair in all HIS works. HE could easily thump Satan into the sun and done with him, never to be heard of again. GOD gave us and wants us to take care of HIS creation, this includes Satan, His creation. HE wants HIS creation to take care of creation! Being fair and just for every negative there is a positive. So that when time of judgement is at hand Satan or anyone cant say it was not fair. We see the many different roles played by CHRIST and Satan throughout the ages. Starting all the way back in this age in Garden of Eden we see TREE of LIFE against Tree of good and evil; We see Melchizedek in the time of Abraham where Satan traversed dimensions de-facto in his true self where he could physically do damage as he did tearing the corner post of Job's children down; he is wise cunning and more subtle than all creatures who allow it; he always using scripture to make his point as in the Temptations of CHRIST. Only thing is he twists scripture just enough to make it untrue. Most Christians want even realize he twists it because they don't study the WORD with understanding; listening to traditions of men and churches rather then GOD. That is why we are commanded to never argue with him but rebuke him in JESUS name. There will be times when we need HIS help and HE will never leave or forsake us but HE wants us to do all we can do 1st. Stay in the WORD so can be approved, seek and you shall find, every day in the WORD is a good day!!

 

[HTacianas]

So if Jesus gave authority to the disciples to (as Matthew 10:1)

Does that imply that Jesus got his powers from God? Or does this mean the apostles are now "God" because they have this power?

Now, I believe in the trinity, this is one question I've been thinking of all day.

That Jesus got his powers from God is something of a separate issue, but the apostles did not "become God", rather they became "god-like". Mankind's destiny is to become God-like. You might say that the apostles were given something of a shortcut in becoming that, but they did not become God.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

So if Jesus gave authority to the disciples to (as Matthew 10:1)

Does that imply that Jesus got his powers from God? Or does this mean the apostles are now "God" because they have this power?

Now, I believe in the trinity, this is one question I've been thinking of all day.

Power is one thing , KING in another. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is King in the Kingdom of God. And as in other Kingdoms, there are many who hold power given by the King to grow, protect and nurture its community but no one is equal to that King.
Blessings

 

[chevyontheriver]

So if Jesus gave authority to the disciples to (as Matthew 10:1)

Does that imply that Jesus got his powers from God? Or does this mean the apostles are now "God" because they have this power?

Now, I believe in the trinity, this is one question I've been thinking of all day.

Neither.

Jesus is God, as explained carefully and accurately in the Nicene creed and the Athanasian creed. So he has natural authority to act based on who he is. And Jesus gave authority to mere men, not making them gods, but giving them derived ability and authority. The very same thing Jesus did in giving them authority to forgive sins.

 

[eleos1954]

So if Jesus gave authority to the disciples to (as Matthew 10:1)

Does that imply that Jesus got his powers from God? Or does this mean the apostles are now "God" because they have this power?

Now, I believe in the trinity, this is one question I've been thinking of all day.

The bible indicates that Jesus performed miracles in his human nature - by the power of the Holy Spirit - rather than drawing on his divine nature.

satan and the angels have powers ... but they are not God ... they have no power to create life nor sustain it.

God created creatures on earth with the ability to procreate ... but without His original creations .... nothing would exist.

John 1
2He (Jesus) was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.

 

[Mark Quayle]

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30.

There are several similar versions of that verse. When the Pharisees said Jesus was casting out demons through the power of the devil, Jesus told them they were blaspheming the Holy Spirit, because that's who his power came from. Jesus laid aside his Godhood to become the Son of Man, so he could suffer and die for us at the hands of men.

I agree for the most part. It was rather a startling discovery for me to find that, as Hebrews 4:15 says, "For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.", he conquered temptation by dependence on his Father, and by obedience, just as we "theoretically" could.

What I don't agree is that he laid aside his Godhood. What he laid aside was the powers and "God-ishness" that even his disciples took him to be displaying. (He even told them that they would greater things than he had done. John 14:12). In fact, I would contend that he demonstrated his Godhood in that he did not succumb to temptation, and even did it in the "weakest way possible", the same way we must. (Not at all meaning it is weak, since the Spirit of God has no problem overcoming sin, but in the mundane way we do.

 

[Graydon Booth]

Jesus is God He has all the powers that God has and does not need to depend on the Holy Spirit since the Holy Spirit has the exact same powers that Jesus and the Father have. One God Three persons.

Again, not denying the trinity, but I'm saying if Jesus didn't have the authority on his own does that mean he just had that authority from God and is not God himself?

 

[sawdust]

Again, not denying the trinity, but I'm saying if Jesus didn't have the authority on his own does that mean he just had that authority from God and is not God himself?

No, it means He didn't function in His capacity as God while on Earth but relied solely on the Father for all He needed. He remained God at all times.

To how many of us would Satan say "turn these stones to bread"? It is a ludicrous temptation for us but wasn't for Jesus. He had the power to do such a thing innately, we don't. Yet even though He could, He refused to act as God, instead humbling Himself and living as a human being.

 

[Graydon Booth]

Jesus is God He has all the powers that God has and does not need to depend on the Holy Spirit since the Holy Spirit has the exact same powers that Jesus and the Father have. One God Three persons.

But He gets his power from the Father, so my question is, how is Jesus God here? Again not denying the trinity, but severely confused.

 

[disciple Clint]

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30.

There are several similar versions of that verse. When the Pharisees said Jesus was casting out demons through the power of the devil, Jesus told them they were blaspheming the Holy Spirit, because that's who his power came from. Jesus laid aside his Godhood to become the Son of Man, so he could suffer and die for us at the hands of men.

Jesus clearly stated several times that He is God. The Prologue to John clearly states that Jesus is God. God is immutable, He does not change, Jesus had the full power of God because He was God, He did not give up His powers, He could not do that even if He wanted to, He simply humbled Himself and became like a servant.

 

[disciple Clint]

Again, not denying the trinity, but I'm saying if Jesus didn't have the authority on his own does that mean he just had that authority from God and is not God himself?

Please read the Prologue to John and then you will know who and what Jesus is, also note in the Gospels the several times He made it clear that He was God which is why the Jews wanted to have Him killed