Jonah, Jesus and Paul

[LittleLambofJesus]

The book of "Jonah" is interesting and while reading thru it again, the word of YHWH coming to him a "second time" after being vomited up made me think of Saul/Paul when the Lord Jesus appeared to Him after His ascension.
Interesting also that the Ninevites are mentioned being "resurrected" in the judgement. Could Saul/Paul be a type of "Jonah" as Jesus was? Just curious and any views on this are appreciated. Thanks.

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Jonah 3:1 And a word of YHWH is becoming unto Jonah, a second, to say, 2 `Rise! go! to Niyn@veh, the city, the great and call to her, the call which I am speaking to thee;'

Matt 12:41 `Men, Ninevites shall be resurrecting/ana-sthsontai <450> (5698) in the judging with the generation/geneaV <1074>, this, and they shall be condemning it/her, that they repent/reform into the proclamation of Jonah and Lo! more of Jonah here. [Luke 11:30, 32]

Acts 9:15 Said yet toward him, the Lord , `Be you going!, that a vessel of choice is to Me this one, of the to bear the Name of Me in sight of nations and kings--sons besides of Israel;

 

[Tavita]

Do you really think Jonah was a type of Jesus? I mean, he didn't want to preach to the Ninevites.. he didn't want them to be saved and even got angry with God when they did!

 

[jckstraw72]

he was in the belly of the fish for 3 days, as Christ was in the tomb -- Christ even says He'll give them the sign of Jonah.

without really thinking too hard about it id say, sure Jonah and Paul could be type/anti-type

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

he was in the belly of the fish for 3 days, as Christ was in the tomb -- Christ even says He'll give them the sign of Jonah.

without really thinking too hard about it id say, sure Jonah and Paul could be type/anti-type

Thanks for that post.
The book of Jonah is about the only place that I find that might signify Saul/Paul coming after Jesus.
I am just starting to study on this again.

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

I am confused. Doesn't the fact that Paul lived after Jesus pretty much confirm that he came after Jesus or am I misunderstanding you?

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

.... No. I'm rather uncomfortable thinking over people other than Christ as antitypes.

 

[jckstraw72]

Gratia -- what about the link btwn the Ark of the Covenant and the Theotokos?

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Gratia -- what about the link btwn the Ark of the Covenant and the Theotokos?

Well, I suppose that's fair enough...

But she's... I dunno, 'different.'

 

[jckstraw72]

haha, ok, just curious

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Another similarity I found interesting concerning Jonah and Paul was where Johah proclaimed being a "Hebrew".

Paul also proclaims the same thing in 2 Corin 11 and Philipp 3:5.

The particular greek word used in those 2 verses is found in only 1 other verse of the NT, that in Acts 6:1 when there became a squabble between the Greeks and Hebrews.....I am still working on this.......

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Rotherham) Jonah 1:9 And he said unto them "a Hebrew am I,--and Yahweh, the God of the heavens, do I revere Him who made the sea and the dry land.

Young) 2 Corinthians 11:22 Hebrews are they? I also! Israelites are they? I also! seed of Abraham are they? I also!

Young) Philippians 3:5 circumcision on the eighth day! of the race of Israel! of the tribe of Benjamin! a Hebrew of Hebrews! according to law a Pharisee!

1445. Hebraios heb-rah'-yos from 1443; a Hebræan (i.e. Hebrew) or Jew:--Hebrew.

The book of "Jonah" is interesting and while reading thru it again, the word of YHWH coming to him a "second time" after being vomited up made me think of Saul/Paul when the Lord Jesus appeared to Him after His ascension.
Interesting also that the Ninevites are mentioned being "resurrected" in the judgement. Could Saul/Paul be a type of "Jonah" as Jesus was? Just curious and any views on this are appreciated. Thanks.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Jonah 3:1 And a word of YHWH is becoming unto Jonah, a second, to say, 2 `Rise! go! to Niyn@veh, the city, the great and call to her, the call which I am speaking to thee;'

Matt 12:41 `Men, Ninevites shall be resurrecting/ana-sthsontai <450> (5698) in the judging with the generation/geneaV <1074>, this, and they shall be condemning it/her, that they repent/reform into the proclamation of Jonah and Lo! more of Jonah here. [Luke 11:30, 32]

Acts 9:15 Said yet toward him, the Lord , `Be thou going!, that a vessel of choice is to Me this one, of the to bear the Name of Me in sight of nations and kings--sons besides of Israel;

 

[Jpark]

The book of "Jonah" is interesting and while reading thru it again, the word of YHWH coming to him a "second time" after being vomited up made me think of Saul/Paul when the Lord Jesus appeared to Him after His ascension.
Interesting also that the Ninevites are mentioned being "resurrected" in the judgement. Could Saul/Paul be a type of "Jonah" as Jesus was? Just curious and any views on this are appreciated. Thanks.

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

Jonah 3:1 And a word of YHWH is becoming unto Jonah, a second, to say, 2 `Rise! go! to Niyn@veh, the city, the great and call to her, the call which I am speaking to thee;'

Matt 12:41 `Men, Ninevites shall be resurrecting/ana-sthsontai <450> (5698) in the judging with the generation/geneaV <1074>, this, and they shall be condemning it/her, that they repent/reform into the proclamation of Jonah and Lo! more of Jonah here. [Luke 11:30, 32]

Acts 9:15 Said yet toward him, the Lord , `Be you going!, that a vessel of choice is to Me this one, of the to bear the Name of Me in sight of nations and kings--sons besides of Israel;

Well, one things for sure. Whether the spirit of Elijah (2 Kings 2:15; Luke 1:17) or the spirit of Jonah or the spirit of Jpark43, there is only one Spirit. The Holy Spirit.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well, one things for sure. Whether the spirit of Elijah (2 Kings 2:15; Luke 1:17) or the spirit of Jonah or the spirit of Jpark43, there is only one Spirit. The Holy Spirit.

Well actually 2 if you count the "evil Spirit"

 

[JamesAH]

he was in the belly of the fish for 3 days, as Christ was in the tomb -- Christ even says He'll give them the sign of Jonah.

without really thinking too hard about it id say, sure Jonah and Paul could be type/anti-type

Whale not fish.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Whale not fish.

Either way *works for me

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Rotherham) Jonah 1:17 Now Yahweh had appointed a great fish/01709 dag, to swallow up Jonah,--and Jonah was in the belly of the fish, three days and three nights.

LXX Jonah 1:17 kaiprosetacenkuriovkhteimegalwkatapieinton Iwnan kaihn Iwnav enthkoiliatoukhtouvtreivhmeravkaitreivnuktav

01709 dag {dawg} or (fully) da'g (Nehemiah 13:16) {dawg} from 01711; TWOT - 401a; n m
AV - fish 20; 20
Greek Strong's Number: #2785
a sea monster, whale, huge fish

Young) Matthew 12:40 for as Jonah was in the belly of the fish/khtouV <2785> three days and three nights, so shall the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

2785. ketos kay'-tos probably from the base of 5490; a huge fish (as gaping for prey):--whale.

 

[JamesAH]

Either way words for me

http://www.christianforums.com/t7467330/#post54768510

Rotherham) Jonah 1:17 Now Yahweh had appointed a great fish/01709 dag, to swallow up Jonah,--and Jonah was in the belly of the fish, three days and three nights.

LXX Jonah 1:17 kaiprosetacenkuriovkhteimegalwkatapieinton Iwnan kaihn Iwnav enthkoiliatoukhtouvtreivhmeravkaitreivnuktav

01709 dag {dawg} or (fully) da'g (Nehemiah 13:16) {dawg} from 01711; TWOT - 401a; n m
AV - fish 20; 20
Greek Strong's Number: #2785
a sea monster, whale, huge fish

Young) Matthew 12:40 for as Jonah was in the belly of the fish/khtouV <2785> three days and three nights, so shall the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

2785. ketos kay'-tos probably from the base of 5490; a huge fish (as gaping for prey):--whale.

Took you a month to reply too

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Took you a month to reply too

Retirement tends to do that to me

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Jesus was the sign of Jonah up until the belly of the whale . Paul carries the sign of Jonah in his ministry to the gentiles taking boats .. even to Tarshish

 

[zeke37]

The book of "Jonah" is interesting and while reading thru it again, the word of YHWH coming to him a "second time" after being vomited up made me think of Saul/Paul when the Lord Jesus appeared to Him after His ascension.
Interesting also that the Ninevites are mentioned being "resurrected" in the judgement. Could Saul/Paul be a type of "Jonah" as Jesus was? Just curious and any views on this are appreciated. Thanks.

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

Jonah 3:1 And a word of YHWH is becoming unto Jonah, a second, to say, 2 `Rise! go! to Niyn@veh, the city, the great and call to her, the call which I am speaking to thee;'

Matt 12:41 `Men, Ninevites shall be resurrecting/ana-sthsontai <450> (5698) in the judging with the generation/geneaV <1074>, this, and they shall be condemning it/her, that they repent/reform into the proclamation of Jonah and Lo! more of Jonah here. [Luke 11:30, 32]

Acts 9:15 Said yet toward him, the Lord , `Be you going!, that a vessel of choice is to Me this one, of the to bear the Name of Me in sight of nations and kings--sons besides of Israel;

seems reasonable to me

Do you really think Jonah was a type of Jesus? I mean, he didn't want to preach to the Ninevites.. he didn't want them to be saved and even got angry with God when they did!

a type (Jonah) is always lesser than the antitype (Jesus)

 

[SolomonVII]

Jonah was the reluctant prophet to the Gentiles of his day, the ones who would destroy Israel and leave it in ruins.

Paul was downright belligerent when it came to opening up the world of the Hebrews to the Christians. Likewise, the Gentiles that Paul's message saved from ultimate destruction were of the same stock that would level Jerusalem.

It took a type of death for Jonah, where he was cut off from the rest of the world in the innards of the great fish. This led to his submitting to the will of God and eventually bringing the word of salvation to Nineveh.
Paul's 'death' conversion experience was his being struck blind on the road to Damascus. It wasn't a similar three days and three nights experience as it was for Jesus, but it might be interesting to contrast the numbers involved with Paul's blindness when he finally was able to see and hear the voice of Jesus. There may be some significance to the different numbers.

Jonah remained reluctant, and even wildly resentful about his role in saving the enemy of the Israeli people, perhaps because he, as a prophet, may have had some inkling as to what the Assyrians would eventually do to his people in later generations.

In contrast, Paul was for all intents and purposes, very, very eager about converting the Roman Gentiles. He was saddened for sure that the Jews would be missing out on something spectacular, but that was not even a consideration for him. He was in no way reluctant, once he was 'blinded by the light'.

The over-riding message of Jonah, I think, is that even if there was no justice in letting the murderous Assyrians live, and that a world without justice is an intolerable farce that leaves Jonah wishing he were dead, a world without unmerited mercy is also as intolerable as the kind of world that Jonah was left with when the worm ate the shade that God magnanimously had provided Jonah with.

Pauls over-riding message was that the mercy that is Jesus fulfills all the requirements for justice. and that the mercy of unmerited redemption that God gives those who repent, whosoever they might be, is no longer subject to the worms of death and decay.
Redemption is a forever kind of thing for us now.

 

[detention]

Could Saul/Paul be a type of "Jonah" as Jesus was?

Absolutley.

Jonah asked the cup be removed from Him as does Christ. Jonah is in the belly 3 days as Christ is in hell 3 days. A testiment of the true sufferings in the flesh. God have mercy upon each of us.