Joker **warning spoilers**

[A Gerbil]

I couldn't see a thread discussing the new Joker film, so started this one.

I think it's the best film of the year and has to clean up at the Oscars! It's a sad film which will make you sympathise with Joker and even understand why he becomes a villain.

Arthur is an impoverished, lonely middle-aged man with mental health issues, who lives with his mother. He doesn't know who is father is, but believes him to be the millionaire industrialist, Thomas Wayne, who's the father of Bruce (Batman).

Arthur works as a clown, and one of his jobs is to display a sign outside a shop advertising a sale there. The sign's stolen from him and he pursues the thieves, chasing them down an alley only to be ambushed and beaten up. It's all down hill for him from there.

It's a bleak, dark film, but superb and highly recommended.

 

[RDKirk]

The major question--left unresolved--how much of the movie is actually Arthur's delusion?

 

[A Gerbil]

The major question--left unresolved--how much of the movie is actually Arthur's delusion?

Well we know that Bruce Wayne's parents get gunned down, which leads to him becoming Batman. So I only think fragments of it are delusions, for example his relationship with the neighbour. I think if he was fantasising his life wouldn't have been so bad...

 

[RDKirk]

Well we know that Bruce Wayne's parents get gunned down, which leads to him becoming Batman. So I only think fragments of it are delusions, for example his relationship with the neighbour. I think if he was fantasising his life wouldn't have been so bad...

The bad parts are the ones I am convinced are real.

Rather, I think the sequences where people took Arthur seriously, where he succeeded in accomplishing what he wanted to accomplish, are all likely delusions.

That would even the talk show appearance where he glides with such ease onto the stage, kisses "Dr Ruth," and everyone takes him seriously, even after he claimed to have killed people. If that happened at all, I don't think it happened so smoothly.

I think he killed the first three men on the subway. I think he killed the neighbor and possibly her daughter (off screen). I'm not so sure about any of the others, because they were too perfectly accomplished.

It would include the final sequence of the police car crash and his rescue and adulation by the crowd--I don't think all that actually happened.

 

[A Gerbil]

The bad parts are the ones I am convinced are real.

Rather, I think the sequences where people took Arthur seriously, where he succeeded in accomplishing what he wanted to accomplish, are all likely delusions.

That would even the talk show appearance where he glides with such ease onto the stage, kisses "Dr Ruth," and everyone takes him seriously, even after he claimed to have killed people. If that happened at all, I don't think it happened so smoothly.

I think he killed the first three men on the subway. I think he killed the neighbor and possibly her daughter (off screen). I'm not so sure about any of the others, because they were too perfectly accomplished.

It would include the final sequence of the police car crash and his rescue and adulation by the crowd--I don't think all that actually happened.

Yes, it's an interesting film. I will watch it more closely when it comes out on DVD.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Excellent film! Definitely movie of the year for me. One of the best comic book derived films, I think, ever, and Joaquin Phoenix deserves best actor for the realest and in my opinion, best portrayal of a Joker yet. Not that those were small clown shoes to fill, either. Everything from the cinematography, to the score, to the acting and the story line... The whole movie. Just superb!

 

[klutedavid]

I couldn't see a thread discussing the new Joker film, so started this one.

I think it's the best film of the year and has to clean up at the Oscars! It's a sad film which will make you sympathise with Joker and even understand why he becomes a villain.

Arthur is an impoverished, lonely middle-aged man with mental health issues, who lives with his mother. He doesn't know who is father is, but believes him to be the millionaire industrialist, Thomas Wayne, who's the father of Bruce (Batman).

Arthur works as a clown, and one of his jobs is to display a sign outside a shop advertising a sale there. The sign's stolen from him and he pursues the thieves, chasing them down an alley only to be ambushed and beaten up. It's all down hill for him from there.

It's a bleak, dark film, but superb and highly recommended.

What about the new Terminator film Dark Fate?

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Even before it came out I figured it was all in his head. Despite me being interested in a R rated Joker movie, I don't really care for this movie. It's more psychology/real world and less Joker as we would expect.

 

[A Gerbil]

What about the new Terminator film Dark Fate?

I am looking forward to it. Perhaps you should start a new thread about it and include the trailer?

Even before it came out I figured it was all in his head. Despite me being interested in a R rated Joker movie, I don't really care for this movie. It's more psychology/real world and less Joker as we would expect.

As I said above, I think much of it must have been real for Bruce Wayne's parents to have been killed.