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John the Baptist

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I'm just doing a personal Bible study, reading, making notes for myself.

I would appreciate more incite on the baptism by John the Baptist. I'm beginning to understand there are two types of baptism. The one we know is with the Holy Spirit as we receive the Holy Spirit when we are baptized. Our baptism regenerates. But John's baptism was one of confession, repentance, and with only water, not the Holy Spirit. I'm seeing the difference and calling it an old covenant baptism and a new covenant baptism.

So was the old covenant baptism valid? Did it save them as the new covenant baptism does? Or was it only good for the one time (not regenerating without the Holy Spirit) and they needed to continue the old covenant sacrifices?

Also, is John the Baptist considered a prophet?
 

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I'm just doing a personal Bible study, reading, making notes for myself.

I would appreciate more incite on the baptism by John the Baptist. I'm beginning to understand there are two types of baptism. The one we know is with the Holy Spirit as we receive the Holy Spirit when we are baptized. Our baptism regenerates. But John's baptism was one of confession, repentance, and with only water, not the Holy Spirit. I'm seeing the difference and calling it an old covenant baptism and a new covenant baptism.

So was the old covenant baptism valid? Did it save them as the new covenant baptism does? Or was it only good for the one time (not regenerating without the Holy Spirit) and they needed to continue the old covenant sacrifices?

Also, is John the Baptist considered a prophet?


In the Reformation period, a controversy arose over the nature of John's Baptism. Lutherans contended in response to the Council of Trent that John's Baptism also granted grace and the forgiveness of sins. Rome ruled that anyone who taught that John's Baptism had the same power as Jesus Baptism ought to be anathema. While some differences exist, Scripture nowhere teaches that John's Baptism was not efficacious. Chemnitz speaks on this in his Examination of the Council of Trent.

Among the points he makes is from Ephesians 4:5: "One Lord, one Faith, one Baptism...."
 
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