John Hagee - False Prophet?

Jerico Miles · Sep 12, 2014

LittleLambofJesus said:
Umm, the links are in that post you quoted.

Here is his webpage. Click on #4:

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okay, this is #4. I clicked it and this is the page and the message he wrote.

Four Blood Moons: Something Is About To Change

Four Blood Moons: Something Is About To Change

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It is rare that Scripture, science, and history align with each other, yet the last three series of Four Blood Moons have done exactly that. Are these the “signs” that God refers to in his Word? If they are, what do they mean? What is their prophetic significance?

In this riveting book, Pastor John Hagee explores the supernatural connection of certain celestial events to biblical prophecy – and to the future of God’s chosen people and to the nations of the world.

Just as in biblical times, God is controlling the sun, the moon, and the stars to send our generation a signal that something big is about to happen. The questions is: Are we watching and listening for His message?

All he said above is something big is about to happen.

LittleLambofJesus said:
Both Mark Biltz and John Hagee have indirectly hinted that the second coming of Christ, or Jesus planting his feet on the mount of Olives (Zech 14) or some other huge catastrophic event on 23 September 2015 (Yom Kippur). Such is irresponsible but boy does it sell books!

Where in there does he mention Christ coming back to earth planting his feet on the mount of olive?

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Daniel1136 · Sep 12, 2014

Hagee is OK, but he gets hyper over some things .... this kind of behavior should never be displayed and it tends to nullify his credibility .... the subject of the "blood moons" also implies date setting [Mark Biltz also does the same]

He looks at natural forecasts of scheduled eclipses and then tries to apply them to various day of the Lord judgments

There are not "4 blood moons" [eclipses] given in the end time prophecies

What is there is a darkening of the moon in Matthew 24:29 and an obscurity of the same in Revelation 6:12

Revelation 6:12 gives the beginning of the tribulation and Matthew 24:29 gives the ending

The moon appears red as viewed from the earth in the first from debris in the atmosphere caused by the first judgment here [Revelation 8:6-12]

Revelation 6:12-17 is a portent of the coming judgment events, in the case of the red moon, 8:6-12 is the actual event

In the second, the sun is darkened and the moon cannot be seen from the earth [no reflection] .... this darkening of the sun is related to cosmic disturbances in the heavens related to the sign of the Son of Man appearing

rockytopva · Sep 12, 2014

I will go with Isaac Newton. 2060 for the return of Christ... And 2053 for the rapture date.

Daniel1136 · Sep 12, 2014

Newton was an alchemist and a speculator at best .... date setting for the Lord's next intervention is forbidden in scripture .... no one can know as the Lord has said

I believe he did get one significant understanding .... the "antichrist" will emerge from the Middle East, not Europe

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 12, 2014

rockytopva said:
I will go with Isaac Newton. 2060 for the return of Christ... And 2053 for the rapture date.

I would trust Newton and Jesus over J. Hagee

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Danoh · Sep 12, 2014

I think...

I think...

I think...

I'll go with the Lord's take on these issues...

"It is NOT for you to know..." Acts 1:7

rockytopva · Sep 12, 2014

Let me give the full quote here...

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v Isaac Newton notes:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060. Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming will be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christs coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes

It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." Isaac Newton

Interplanner · Sep 13, 2014

What the hooey does Charlemagne's crowning have to do with anything?

Daniel1136 · Sep 13, 2014

Nothing

Isaac Newton was one who desired to know hidden things an mysteries by various methods of divination .... like a fortune teller

His understanding of the prophetic scriptures were skewed by his own mixing and he simply did not ever arrive at a comprehensive and complete view of the Lord's more sure word of the Bible prophets

When one goes tailing off into extra-biblical ramblings of various designs the truth will never be found

The Lord will simply not show His truth to those who do such things .... in fact He will set out to confuse them because they are not seeking His for the leading

Interplanner · Sep 13, 2014

Well his last paragraph above is the opposite of your summary and is spot on. Maybe what you read about him had to do with scientific inquiry, but above he says the opposite of what you are saying about Scripture.

rockytopva · Sep 13, 2014

Isaac Newton was a good man. His end time prediction was the best I have ever heard, especially after having been made 300 years ago.

Daniel1136 · Sep 13, 2014

There are good men with good intentions, however the Lord's prophetic word is the only sure truth .... and He has finished it .... no adding or taking away [Revelation 22:18-19]

There are no true prophets except His Bible prophets .... any others are false prophets and or speculators

rockytopva · Sep 13, 2014

4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. - 1 Corinthians 12

Prophets prophecy... And according to 1 Cor 12:10, God does bless men with the gift of prophecy.

Daniel1136 · Sep 13, 2014

The gift of prophecy today is one of being able to render the Bible prophets' writings correctly and explain them

I will say it again ... the Lord is finished .... anything else added or taken away is false

Interplanner · Sep 13, 2014

Your idea of the gift of prophecy has never been aired before that I know of. Look through the usage of the NT; they were people who declared that a certain event was to hit, and usually pretty short term. Especially in Acts.

Do you really think there is a gift that would be constantly in debate as is the case today, as found in CF here and in the church in general? I doubt it.

rockytopva · Sep 13, 2014

Daniel1136 said:
The gift of prophecy today is one of being able to render the Bible prophets' writings correctly and explain them

I will say it again ... the Lord is finished .... anything else added or taken away is false

That is not bible...

1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Daniel1136 · Sep 13, 2014

It has to be ..... the Lord's prophets have spoken [2 Peter 1:16-21]

All has been said and there is no need for further revelation [Revelation 22:18-19]

Be careful who you follow [Matthew 24:4-4; 2 peter 2:1-3]

Now let me ask you a question

What scriptural evidence can you give to prove out your thinking?

Does the Lord name His prophets?

If so give me the evidence of others over the last 2000 years after the first century please .... who are they?

All I see in scripture are the warnings about false prophets from the Lord, His prophets, and His apostles

And give an example of a current day "prophet" that you know of, the prophecy made, and the evidence of 100% fulfillment

.... or maybe a few since you think that genuine prophets are still walking around today

Dave Watchman · Sep 13, 2014

rockytopva said:
I will go with Isaac Newton. 2060 for the return of Christ... And 2053 for the rapture date.

Rocky, there's only one problem. 2053 and 2060 are not even in the ball park, that's way outside of the fig tree generation calculation. Isaac only started this one to frustrate the other guys at his time that were trying to pinpoint a time of intrest. The real Newton calculation is in the Jefferson letter, that one hits a home run. Safe and at rest in our Father's House. A poster in the Ezekiel thread mentions a variation of it, maybe I can go and help tune it up a little.

Interplanner · Sep 13, 2014

Daniel,
there are both gifts of knowledge and of interpretation to cover what you are talking about. That's who would know how to handle the existing ones.

Occasionally there is someone who knows a certain event that might happen to a certain Christian. There isn't anything to prophesy about major modern events, and there is no point in guessing the end of time.

Dave Watchman · Sep 13, 2014

Danoh said:
I think...

I think...

I think...

I'll go with the Lord's take on these issues...

"It is NOT for you to know..." Acts 1:7

"It is NOT for YOU to know..."

You is who? Was The Lord talking to Danoh and Dave in 2014? Was He speaking to every person who would ever live, even the people living in the months prior to the beginning of His Arrival? Or was He speaking specifically to His eleven disciples standing before Him? How can we Know?
(I hope I don't get in trouble for this)

When Jesus said:

"He said to them, It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority"

He was speaking specifically to His disciples at that time. The dead giveaway is the question that they had asked which prompted His response:

Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?

The disciples question demonstrates that they did not at that time understand the ramifications and specifications of Daniel 9. That kingdom was in the process of being taken from their people and given to another people producing its fruits. They were living right near the line of demarcation that separated the two and Jesus didn't want to break their hearts just as He Ascended. The kingdom was not ever going to be restored to that nation.

When the day of Pentecost arrived and they were all together in one place, I bet they knew the complete answer to the question that they had asked. There's nothing like The Coming of The Holy Spirit to clear up the detail of Daniel 9.

I think that it's not for everyone to know but near to the time of an important Bible event there are usually two or three wise guys around.

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