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John Calvin - The Shroud cannot be genuine

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In short, Calvin did not believe that the Shroud of Turin was the actual burial cloth of Jesus Christ, not only because it was just one more relic, but simply because the Bible is apparently silent on the subject. In his opinion, the Shroud also seemed to be in direct contradiction with the gospels, especially John’s. In 1543, John Calvin, in his book Treatise on Relics, explained why the Shroud cannot be genuine
 

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It is genuine. Read the investigations on it. It CANNOT be reproduced by any modern technique! It is extremely unique. Nobody today, let alone in centuries past could have 'made' it.

The carbon dating they did on it in the 80's was wrong as it was taken from strips of the cloth that were sewn in in the middle ages to repair it after a fire!!

The shroud is a miracle. Left by Our Lord Jesus Christ for us.
 
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Just one of the many lies that has been incorporated into the christian religion.

You mean lies like the earth is flat and that the moon has its own light source?
 
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We have no way of knowing ... and I agree with Calvin on this one.
 
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But the investigations on the shroud, though they might be able to date it, and say with reasonable certainty that it enwrapped a victim of crucifixion, cannot surely prove that the body it once contained was that of Jesus Christ. As for it being a miracle left for us by the Saviour, how do you know? He is not recorded as saying, anything like, "I will miraculously cause My burial shroud to be preserved, to help people believe on Me."
 
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Look at the evidence. Its all there.

The image on the shroud is extremely unique. It cannot be explained by science. It cannot be reproduced in any way what so ever. People have tried. And failed.

The negative and positive image from the shroud is unexplainable by science.

The 'image' is barely going into the cloth fibres!

So many reasons that confirm it is not an ordinary image. It is, Our Lord Jesus Christ. Produced at His Resurrection. There can be no other reason.
 
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I still don't see how anybody can prove that the image is that of Jesus.
 
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I still don't see how anybody can prove that the image is that of Jesus.
It's the same 'proof' that encapsules most, if not all, items taken by faith. How do you prove the Apostle Paul, Saint Luke or historical figures like Julius Ceasar or Alexander the Great were real persons? You don't, you look at the evidence, historical, Scriptural and otherwise and take it in faith as being true.

Just curious, have you ever seen the Shroud?
I went to the Shroud of Turin Exhibit in the late 80s. I went in a good Southern Baptist skeptic. I came out keenly aware of the date of it and with reasonable certainty that it enwrapped a victim of crucifixion (just as you stated earlier) with evidence of the scourging as described in Holy Scripture. I also learned that it was kept safe by the Church through the centuries and it has some inexplicable qualities. Is that proof that the image is Jesus? Not for some, but it opened my eyes to some possibilities that I now accept.
fwiw, I tend to think the suggestion that the Shroud is real is far easier to fathom than some of the tenents of Calvin. ymmv
 
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the Bible was also quiet on the complete destruction of the second temple in Jerusalem, the Great Schism, The Protestant Reformation, finding of new religions (such as JW, Mormons, or Christian Science) etc

Your point?

And yes, I LOVE Scripture.

I do not accept sola scriptura
 
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Essentially it's faith.

And yes, I believe it!
 
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