John Bevere

[KingZzub]

Having been asked by Troy on another thread to outline some of the WoF teachers views on OSAS, I was about to include John Bevere, then I got thinking.

He is definitely against OSAS. His most recent book (about three weeks out, DRIVEN BY ETERNITY) has about 8 chapters on this.

But is he a WoF preacher?

Cheers,
|ZZ|

 

[teruah]

I can't answer that one. I know he has aligned himself with some WOFers and in his "Holy Spirit" teaching series he refers to one of Kenneth Hagin's experiences.

Also...the way he teaches on recieving the baptism and gifts of the Holy Spirit is in line with WOF teaching.

But thats all the evidence I really have. I have read a few books by him and I do enjoy his teaching. But,,,to say he is WOF....well....I couldnt answer that for sure at all.

Hmmmmmm.

 

[teruah]

Hey Zzub!

I dont want to hijack this thread but there's another teacher that I'd be interested on your opinion as to where he's WOF or not.

In the FTAOSAS you said,

Derek Prince does not believe in OSAS. This is found in his book "The Spirit-Filled Believer's Handbook" when discussing repentance and the role of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life.

So....do you think Derek Prince is WOF??

I'm not asking about the credibility of Derek Prince (as you already know that I greatly value his teaching and I'm doing the same course you did).. but I'm wondering whether you'd class him as WOF as you listed him in that other thread.

Again...sorry to take this thread off course!!!

God Bless!

 

[Deborah72]

Having been asked by Troy on another thread to outline some of the WoF teachers views on OSAS, I was about to include John Bevere, then I got thinking.

He is definitely against OSAS. His most recent book (about three weeks out, DRIVEN BY ETERNITY) has about 8 chapters on this.

But is he a WoF preacher?

Cheers,
|ZZ|

John Bevere spoke at a church pastored by a Rhema graduate and sure sounds WoF, imo. I haven't read his books though.

 

[Deborah72]

Hey Zzub!

I dont want to hijack this thread but there's another teacher that I'd be interested on your opinion as to where he's WOF or not.

In the FTAOSAS you said,



So....do you think Derek Prince is WOF??

I'm not asking about the credibility of Derek Prince (as you already know that I greatly value his teaching and I'm doing the same course you did).. but I'm wondering whether you'd class him as WOF as you listed him in that other thread.

Again...sorry to take this thread off course!!!

God Bless!

Not Zzub, but Derek Prince was not really considered WoF in the Faith circles I was in. Folks at Rhema were really at odds with his deliverance ministry and other things he taught. However, I'm not familiar with Derek Prince, so I don't really know what they disagreed with. VW knows more about Derek Prince than I do. Maybe he knows the differences and why he and Dad Hagin disagreed.

Dad Hagin really differed with other WoF teachers on certain doctrine. He did not completely agree with all the extreme prosperity teaching that was going on.

When I attended Rhema, Dad not agree with some of the "heart" teaching that Yandian and others taught. Actually, Yandian was a teacher at Rhema and resigned as a result of that teaching. VW knows about the rift in regard to the "heart" teaching. There is lots of variety in WoF teaching. But, going back to the orginal question, no, when I attended Rhema, Derek Prince was not considered a WoF teacher, he was Charismatic, but not WoF. Neither was Bob Mumford, Charismatic-yes, WoF- no.

 

[KingZzub]

This is all new to me.

Remember I have only been a Christian since 93, and only been WoF since 96.

I would love to know what the disagreement between Bob and Kenneth was about, I consider Kenneth to be a great Bible teacher.

I thought Derek was WoF, his book seems to back it up, and Kenneth Copeland says that Derek was a profound influence on his life.

Cheers,
|ZZ|

 

[Deborah72]

This is all new to me.

Remember I have only been a Christian since 93, and only been WoF since 96.

I would love to know what the disagreement between Bob and Kenneth was about, I consider Kenneth to be a great Bible teacher.

I thought Derek was WoF, his book seems to back it up, and Kenneth Copeland says that Derek was a profound influence on his life.

Cheers,
|ZZ|

I think Bob Yandian is an excellent teacher, I think the disagreement was about the heart teaching. Bob taught the heart/spirit is perfect and Dad Hagin disagreed. Yandian taught at Rhema in 1980. Teachers at Rhema weren't thrilled with Prince's deliverance ministry in the '80's and during the Charismatic revival of the '70's. I've never read Prince's books but I know people admire his teaching, but I never knew Prince was considered WoF. Zzub, you probably know more about present day WoF teaching than I do. I just hung around Dad Hagin and didn't venture out a lot. lolz. Dad Hagin was so old fashioned, personally I don't think he was even thrilled with Brother Copeland sometimes. He was completely different, imo. It really is just my opinion and I'm not saying he was perfect, he was just a man. I think the most outstanding aspect of Dad Hagin was the prophet's anointing. I've never experienced an anointing like that. Just wanted to let you know, that I've learned so much from your posts and make sure to read them. You are a blessing, brother.

 

[KingZzub]

That's a lovely thing to say.

I guess I had defined Word of Faith as someone who considers the Word above circumstances, and will change circumstances with the Word.

Derek Prince's testimony of healing, where he wakes up sick in the middle of the night, and is confessing "By His stripes I was healed" to me is classic Word of Faith.

In terms of his "history", Derek Prince is part of the Charismatic move, but I felt his teaching more "WoF" than others.

I have read his book on demons, and to be frank it didn't impress me much. It is better than say "Pigs in the Parlour" by a long shot, but still seems to wallow in demons. I think the best way to deal with demons is by the preaching of the gospel.

 

[teruah]

So...anyway....John Bevere....are we counting him as WoF then??

I know he served as an assistant in the 80's to a big ministry in the US. Does anyone know who this was? He never says in his books who it is but he refers to it a lot. I've always been curious as to who this was but I never went digging to find out.

I would say he probably is WoF...although he doesnt teach on what is considered to be 'typical WoF topics'.

My last statement could be off the mark so I'm open to being corrected on this!!

God Bless!

 

[Deborah72]

That's a lovely thing to say.

I guess I had defined Word of Faith as someone who considers the Word above circumstances, and will change circumstances with the Word.

Derek Prince's testimony of healing, where he wakes up sick in the middle of the night, and is confessing "By His stripes I was healed" to me is classic Word of Faith.

In terms of his "history", Derek Prince is part of the Charismatic move, but I felt his teaching more "WoF" than others.

I have read his book on demons, and to be frank it didn't impress me much. It is better than say "Pigs in the Parlour" by a long shot, but still seems to wallow in demons. I think the best way to deal with demons is by the preaching of the gospel.

Amen! There were two men that Dad loved as far as deliverance teaching. One was Lester Sumrall and the other was Norvel Hayes. In fact during his meetings, he would call out Norvel to cast out a devil, although I have seen him cast out devils himself many times. Like Norvel and Lester, he had the gift of of discerning of spirits. Didn't mean to hijack this thread.

 

[KingZzub]

So...anyway....John Bevere....are we counting him as WoF then??

I know he served as an assistant in the 80's to a big ministry in the US. Does anyone know who this was? He never says in his books who it is but he refers to it a lot. I've always been curious as to who this was but I never went digging to find out.

I would say he probably is WoF...although he doesnt teach on what is considered to be 'typical WoF topics'.

My last statement could be off the mark so I'm open to being corrected on this!!

God Bless!

I think it is good to have a faith person teach on holiness and living for eternity.

I think personally his greatest legacy to the body of Christ is his wonderful book "Thus Saith the Lord" about the excess of the current "prophetic" movement. I recommend it thoroughly.

He started his ministry in Bob Tilton's church (Success-N-Life) and left that church when Bob divorced his wife. He moved then as youth pastor to Benny Hinn.

Cheers,
|ZZ|

 

[KingZzub]

Amen! There were two men that Dad loved as far as deliverance teaching. One was Lester Sumrall and the other was Norvel Hayes. In fact during his meetings, he would call out Norvel to cast out a devil, although I have seen him cast out devils himself many times. Like Norvel and Lester, he had the gift of of discerning of spirits. Didn't mean to hijack this thread.

Norvel.

Norvel.

What a man of God.

I love that man in a way I don't think I love other preachers. I pray for him more tenderly than other people. I listen to other preachers more but there is something about that man.

Yes, there is still a need to cast out demons, but not in a wierd way. Sumrall was a good man. His book "Alien Entities" is my "textbook" on deliverance.

Cheers,
|ZZ|

P.S. This is my thread and I declare that you cannot hijack it. Any direction that Deborah72 takes this thread is the direction I intended it to go. Blessings!