For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself (John 5:26).
How "hath he given"?
When "hath he given"?
How "hath he given"?
When "hath he given"?
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John 5:26 - what in the world does it mean?
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tansy
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Only a very hesitant suggestion-but maybe as the Holy Spirit made Mary to be pregnant with Jesus, that was when Jesus (as a human) was given life in Himself. As a member of the Godhead before being born on earth, Ishould imagine He would already have life.
Don't know if I've explained very well what I'm getting at. Am sure there are others with better explanations and who are able to put better than I what they mean.
Don't know if I've explained very well what I'm getting at. Am sure there are others with better explanations and who are able to put better than I what they mean.
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Thanks, tansy , you've offered the only suggestion thus far. You think that Jesus was GIVEN life within Himself when he was conceived in Mary (Miriam).
Does anyone agree/disagree?
Does anyone agree/disagree?
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intricatic
...a dinosaur... or something...
The context seems to imply that God has life to give to others, just as Christ does; when Jesus became flesh and was born to a human family, He was granted life in Himself, in the same way He had life in Himself from before the foundations of the world;
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
(John 1)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
(John 1)
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Wasn't it the same living Person who entered Mary that left heaven?
Just how did Jesus lose that LIFE between leaving heaven (being sent by God, the Father) and entering the Virgin Mary, in order for Him to be GIVEN life again in the womb?
Just how did Jesus lose that LIFE between leaving heaven (being sent by God, the Father) and entering the Virgin Mary, in order for Him to be GIVEN life again in the womb?
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k4c
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“For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself” (John 5:26).
How "hath he given"?
When "hath he given"?
It means that Jesus is not the one true God.
John 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
In other words, the belief and teaching that Jesus is co-eternal and co-equal with His Father and His God is a man made doctrine found not in the Scriptures, but rather, formulated by religious man.
If you read Matthew 1:1-16 you will find the genealogy of Jesus, in other words, His family tree. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, in other words, Adam was created by God but Jesus, through the power of God, was birthed making Him God's only begotten Son. Prior to Jesus' birth He existed only in the mind of His Father. Jesus had no literal mystical preexistence. All the prophecies that speak of Jesus in the Old Testament are giving us glimpse of what's in the mind and plan of His Father. All the prophecies in the Old Testament that refer to Jesus speak of Him and his birth as a future event.
The Bible tells that there is only one who is immortal, all powerful, all knowing and unseen and it's not Jesus.
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Jesus plainly said that He had been GIVEN life.
Now, do we have a choice to believe Him or not?
As I see it, there are only a two options.
1. Jesus was given life before Creation.
2. Jesus was given life after Creation.
But this cannot be: "in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." Colossians 1:14-17
Now, do we have a choice to believe Him or not?
As I see it, there are only a two options.
1. Jesus was given life before Creation.
2. Jesus was given life after Creation.
But this cannot be: "in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." Colossians 1:14-17
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squint
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What is there to believe? Jesus had a life in the flesh that was crucified. Jesus "had/has/will have" eternal life. Will my "belief" in these things or what they are change HIM? Nope.
How are we supposed to understand that though He died a physical death, HE DID NOT SEE CORRUPTION?
Is that "understandable?" Does that give me some "basis" to condemn any of my fellow man?
Assuredly NOT.
You can formulaize God all you want. He won't be changing anytime soon, NOR will God be going into our formulas or boxes anytime soon.
I do expect God to be well out of my grasp for eternity. The Fullness of whatever God is is Known only by Himself by His Own Measures.
Religion puts God into a carved up construct, and then asks us to BOW TO THEIR CARVING...
Thank you...but no thanks. There are certain "qualities" that are meant to remain BEYOND confines or determinations. We should be wary to not make confined idols of God and then proceed to damn everyone that doesn't agree with us?
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Romans 1
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
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squint
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No one is going to be in disagreement with the scriptures.
I feel it safe to say that the Fullness Of God in Christ will remain quite secure now matter how one may view same or even more, how one might condemn their fellow man in the name of their subjective sightings.
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All who exalt their own opinions above divine revelation, all who would change the plain meaning of Scripture to suit their own convenience, or for the sake of conforming to the world, are taking upon themselves a fearful responsibility.
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