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.Joel sent a letter to all of us apologizing for his performance on Larry King. He asked everyone to forgive him. He said he knew he didn't do as well as he should and he affirmed that he believes that Jesus is the only way. I am sure Joel would do better if he got a rematch with Larry.
IMHO, I imagine Joel was just trying to find a way to exhort people rather than allow Larry trap into making a statement which Larry was sure use to make Joel look as if he were condemning most of the people on Earth.Thats good to know.I am also certain that Joel has realized that he just should have told Larry what the Bible has to say on the subject and if Larry didn't like the answer, then Joel could have said, "I guess you will just have to take it up with God because it is His Word."Yeah Larry can be like that with ministers. He's an athiest, but you know God is working on him through all these ministers that have been on his show.yep.
Considering the size of his audience, I would say that most have forgiven him and put the issue out of their mind. I'm sure God has. I am also sure that God doesn't want Joel to have to continue to suffer the reproach of men for his slip up.I believe that God wants churches to grow large, but the large size of church could be because it is too seeker friendly. Meaning that "Christ can be different to different people", or just not emphasized enough that He is the only way, truth and life. Not saying this is what Joel does or has done, just speaking of churches in general.
In Kansas and other parts of the free world, we call what Joel does exhorting, or the Ministry of Exhortation.
...and don't argue with me about it either!
Definitions of exhort on the Web: Exort
[SIZE=-1]Exort in the Greek:
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- cheer: urge on or encourage especially by shouts; "The crowd cheered the demonstrating strikers"
- urge: force or impel in an indicated direction; "I urged him to finish his studies" [/SIZE]
Parakaleo (par-ak-al-eh'-o);
Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #: 3870
Acts 20:2 And when he had gone over those parts, and had given them much exhortation, he came into Greece,
- to call to one's side, call for, summon
- to address, speak to, (call to, call upon), which may be done in the way of exhortation, entreaty, comfort, instruction, etc.
- to admonish, exhort
- to beg, entreat, beseech
- to strive to appease by entreaty
- to console, to encourage and strengthen by consolation, to comfort
- to receive consolation, be comforted
- to encourage, strengthen
- exhorting and comforting and encouraging
- to instruct, teach
Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
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Hi Mark!I attended Joel's church for over a year when I lived in that area and have visited several other times in recent years. He's a great guy, and so are the rest of his family. He really wants to encourage people and help them.
He is the first to admit he is not the deepest theologian out there, but he understands his calling and what he is attempting to do. Many people are becoming Christian because of his ministry.
we call what Joel does exhorting, or the Ministry of Exhortation.
Your right, and I am not even sure that Joel would say he had the "ministry of exhortation". If he is a Pastor, and I believe he is, then he stands in the ministry office of "Pastor". A person who fits the role of "he that exhorts" may never Pastor a church or stand in any other 5 fold office. Since we know that Joel does a lot of exhorting, then I believe that rather than doing it out of the anointing provided by the ministry of the exhorter, he does it out of his anointing as a pastor, or whatever other 5 fold office he may be functioning in at the time.I thought the guy who stood behind the pulpit was called a preacher? I understand that your defending his style, but does that mean he doesn't have to shepherd his flock, instead just make sure their bellies are warm when they leave?
I'm not trying to rip on him, because surely I couldn't do what he does. Just wondering if you mean that since a preacher has the gift of encouragement, that he only needs to use that one gift. Or is that enough to stand behind a pulpit and be responsible for 30,000 sheep, or however many there are.
I thought the guy who stood behind the pulpit was called a preacher? I understand that your defending his style, but does that mean he doesn't have to shepherd his flock, instead just make sure their bellies are warm when they leave?
I'm not trying to rip on him, because surely I couldn't do what he does. Just wondering if you mean that since a preacher has the gift of encouragement, that he only needs to use that one gift. Or is that enough to stand behind a pulpit and be responsible for 30,000 sheep, or however many there are.
Do you care to share why you think this? I mean, I totally agree that there must be something within the church that is drawing people to it. People won't continue to attend a church where they are not being filled in some manner.Just like his daddy, I understadnd that all of ihis flock is Pastored very well.
Do you care to share why you think this? I mean, I totally agree that there must be something within the church that is drawing people to it. People won't continue to attend a church where they are not being filled in some manner.
My question is: is Mr. Olsteen only passing out desert every week to keep them coming back, or is he serving them equally from all food groups?
I think, if Jesus went around only loving on everyone, telling them how wonderful they were and how much God loved them, and didn't pierce their hearts with biblical reproof and correction, do you think that the Pharasees would have followed Him? I do. Then we wouldn't have an atonement. Just my thoughts.
I ask this because you say no one is leading the Church like Jesus or Paul, so therefor I assume your saying that we throw out leadership standards.
I don't know of any Pastor who operates exactly as Jesus did or even as Paul did, which is not to say that many Pastors aren't effective operating in their respective gifts and talents.
No, what he said was:
I don't know of any Pastor who operates exactly as Jesus did or even as Paul did, which is not to say that many Pastors aren't effective operating in their respective gifts and talents.
And he is making the argument that no preacher today is perfect in their ministry, therefore we should assume that Joel is free to lead his church in anyway he wants.
This is wisdom.
Many pastors praise and edify in public and correct and rebuke in private.
He actually said that he know of no one who pastors "exactly" like Jesus did. Do you know a Pastor like this? I dont. I know "excellent" Pastors, but that only means that they are on their way, not that they have arrived. Im just trying to keep this in perspective.So a pastor can lead His sheep anyway he wants, as long as his church is big, and everything else is being taken care of by small groups? Are Mr. Olsteens talents just smiling pretty and making others feel good?
I ask this because you say no one is leading the Church like Jesus or Paul, so therefor I assume your saying that we throw out leadership standards.
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