Joe Biden Wins

Postvieww said:

Are you for real? You send me left leaning Politifact for a source????? Really???

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So far I have seen you use Fox News and Fox Business. Both are right leaning sources. /shrug

1Timothy said:

In the USA there are several kinds of churches. Churches that believe in the Bible could not vote for a person that believes in abortion, lawlessness, the rejection of Jerusalem, and many more issues that Democrats believe in!

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But churches don’t vote. Hopefully church members do, but the church itself does not.

Postvieww said:

Are you for real? You send me left leaning Politifact for a source????? Really???

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hmmm...so now we have an ad hominem fallacy
Ad hominem - Wikipedia

Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a term that refers to several types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue. The most common form of this fallacy is "A makes a claim x, B asserts that A holds a property that is unwelcome, and hence B concludes that argument x is wrong".

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looks like that ball is still in your court and isn't going to move any time in the foreseeable future.
tulc(would point out to Postvieww: dismissing isn't refuting)

Introverted1293 said:

What does this mean? Does this mean we are going to be a socialist country and or a communist country?

And I thought churches supported Donald Trump? I am shocked that there were churches that were for Biden.

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Sorry, the media does not get to choose our President.

TexFire316 said:

Sorry, the media does not get to choose our President.

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that's fine, the American voters chose Joe Biden, the media just reported that we had.
tulc(hopes that clears up any confusion)

Isilwen said:

So far I have seen you use Fox News and Fox Business. Both are right leaning sources. /shrug

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Actually you are not accurate. Fox News and Fox Business were not the sources Sydney Powell was the source. Fox was network with the journalism integrity to allow her to present her evidence. Every liberal I’ve heard in media or this forum turns a blind eye to the facts and have no desire for truth. Stay tuned you will get your facts when this corrupt house of cards falls. Tell me why is it liberals fear truth and hide behind the shell game of never really addressing anything head on. Tell me what facts you know about Dominion voting machines and software? Tell me the facts you have that are more convincing than the hundreds of sworn statements under oath from eyewitnesses to voting fraud.

Postvieww said:

(snip) Stay tuned you will get your facts when this corrupt house of cards falls. (snip)

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You will let us know when that happens, right? Because so far the only thing falling is President Trumps lawsuit after lawsuit, everytime it leaves the "President Trump echo chamber" and faces a court.
tulc(is just sayn')

tulc said:

tulc(would point out to Postvieww: dismissing isn't refuting)

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postvieww (would point out tulc has done nothing but be dismissive and hasn’t refuted anything.) Tell me tulc what facts do you have with links that can educate someone on Dominion voting machines and software. What facts with links does tulc have that nullifies the sworn testimony of hundreds of eyewitness to voting fraud? If you will stop playing dodge ball and actually have a discussion about the fraud in this election it would be refreshing. But I will not get my hopes up. It looks like you will play this silly game until Trump is sworn in. You will never have a clue what is going on until you open your eyes.

tulc said:

You will let us know when that happens, right? Because so far the only thing falling is President Trumps lawsuit after lawsuit, everytime it leaves the "President Trump echo chamber" and faces a court.
tulc(is just sayn')

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Links for your claims?

Postvieww said:

postvieww (would point out tulc had done nothing but dismissive and hasn’t refuted anything. (snip)

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...since you haven't presented any facts in support the things you and I have posted about, there's nothing in need of refuting. All you've posted (in the posts we've interacted) are your opinions as far as I can see, that's what Hitchens's razor was about.
tulc(already pointed out what he thinks about opinions)

tulc said:

...since you haven't presented any facts in support the things you and I have posted about, there's nothing in need of refuting. All you've posted (in the posts we've interacted) are your opinions as far as I can see, that's what Hitchens's razor was about.
tulc(already pointed out what he thinks about opinions)

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Dodge ball and you are not even good at that.

Postvieww said:

Links for your claims?

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Pa. Supreme Court Rejects President Trump's Claim About Lack Of Access To Philadelphia Vote Count
Trump loses election lawsuits in Pennsylvania and Michigan, drops Arizona case
Bye, Bye, ‘Sharpiegate’: Trump Campaign Hastily Retreats from Conspiracy-Laden Lawsuit After Brutal Hearing
PolitiFact - No Evidence To Support Claims Californians Fraudulently Voted In Nevada Election
there's a few.
tulc(most of those are on the first couple pages of this forum)

Postvieww said:

Dodge ball and you are not even good at that.

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Since your side has never thrown the ball, it's can't actually be considered dodge ball, though can it?
tulc(just a thought)

I'm really hesitant to wade into this maelstrom but I'll dip a toe for the sake of clarification. What counts as a reliable source? Personally, I think we could probably cut out the more biased on either side, not necessarily because what they report is incorrect, but because the way they present/analyze the information can be a stumbling block for some.
I know NPR is a radically centrist news source, but they seem to do the best job of avoiding sensationalism on either side. There are several articles that could be posted from them relating to these subjects.

1Timothy said:

In the USA there are several kinds of churches. Churches that believe in the Bible could not vote for a person that believes in abortion, lawlessness, the rejection of Jerusalem, and many more issues that Democrats believe in!

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And of course there are churches that could not vote for a person who kidnaps hundreds immigrant children from their mothers arms at the border, Never to be reunited, attempts to remove access to healthcare and remove funding for essential services critical to the survival of the least among us, preferring instead to give billions of dollars in corporate welfare to the rich money changers not unlike those Jesus railed against in the temple.
These are Churches Who prefer to identify with those on Jesus’ “right” in Matthew 25:34-40, and can see by their fruits that those who support the current, outgoing administration’s policies as More closely identifying with the people on Jesus’ “left” in Matthew 25:41-45.

Postvieww said:

Actually you are not accurate. Fox News and Fox Business were not the sources Sydney Powell was the source. Fox was network with the journalism integrity to allow her to present her evidence. Every liberal I’ve heard in media or this forum turns a blind eye to the facts and have no desire for truth. Stay tuned you will get your facts when this corrupt house of cards falls. Tell me why is it liberals fear truth and hide behind the shell game of never really addressing anything head on. Tell me what facts you know about Dominion voting machines and software? Tell me the facts you have that are more convincing than the hundreds of sworn statements under oath from eyewitnesses to voting fraud.

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I'm going to echo Tulc in response to this and add that I have faith in our voting process.

That is where I am coming from in my responses.

I will agree with you and say that we will find out at some point who won, but at this time I am still going to say Biden has it.

parousia70 said:

And of course there are churches that could not vote for a person who kidnaps hundreds immigrant children from their mothers arms at the border, Never to be reunited, attempts to remove access to healthcare and remove funding for essential services critical to the survival of the least among us, preferring instead to give billions of dollars in corporate welfare to the rich money changers not unlike those Jesus railed against in the temple.
These are Churches Who prefer to identify with those on Jesus’ “right” in Matthew 25:34-40, and can see by their fruits that those who support the current, outgoing administration’s policies as More closely identifying with the people on Jesus’ “left” in Matthew 25:41-45.

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I will give you this, at least you will give a reason for what you believe. BUT you have got it all wrong in your complaint. 1. Trump does not “kidnap” anyone. You are over simplifying and subverting the border issue using it to demonize Trump. Obama built and used the cages everyone complains about. A while back a
video taken during the Obama administration was use to say look what evil Trumph has done when in truth it was under Obama. (Tulc) find your own link it is out there. No mention by you of the children being used to gain access to this country illegally by persons other than their parents. This issue is far more complicated than you portray. 2. Your charge Trump wants to “ remove access to healthcare and remove funding for essential services critical to the survival of the least among us” is false. You wrongly assume the AHCA was a fix for the broken healthcare system. For many people it made things worse. 3. Where did he give billions to corporate welfare ? Was it in tax cuts that made the economy soar benefiting the whole nation. Did not Obama and Biden give billions to Iran? The cry of liberals to just pay your fair share rings hollow. Much was made of Trumps tax records did you bother to look at the avoided taxes by Joe? Did you look at the bailouts by Pelosi in the bill she tried to force down the nations throat when real help to the working class could have been provided? It really is pathetic to paint the liberals as the righteous ones who simply care about the people when it is just the opposite. You strike me as a very intelligent person more so than many on the forum but your biblical analysis of the right and left is long on feel good jargon and short on discernment and biblical truth. Who are the people burning buildings hurting already suffering people? It is the BLM’s the Antifas it is not the right. Very few liberals will even speak against these groups specifically. At best some liberals may generally condemn violence in general but never call out the groups and money behind the madness. In your response to 1 Timothy you played a game of dodgeball just like tulc. The only difference is you did offer some debate and not diversion only. To close I will say I in no way claim the political right is perfect before God because it is not but I will say it’s platform is more closely aligned with biblical principals than that of the left. Your avoidance of the abortion, lawlessness and the rejection of Jerusalem issues 1 Timothy mentioned proves my point. You diverted to what you though was a morally superior position because you cannot in reality biblically refute the post. Many in the church have lost all discernment and can no longer identify true evil intentions. When you take the position that your misuse of the children in cages issue trumps the legalized murder of the unborn or just born it is you who are off the straight and narrow path.

tulc said:

Since your side has never thrown the ball, it's can't actually be considered dodge ball, though can it?
tulc(just a thought)

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Here is a ball for you to dodge. Defend the liberal position on the murder of the unborn. Biblical links to your defense would be great but I will not hold my breath. If you even respond your tap dance around this will be amusing.

Isilwen said:

I'm going to echo Tulc in response to this and add that I have faith in our voting process.

That is where I am coming from in my responses.

I will agree with you and say that we will find out at some point who won, but at this time I am still going to say Biden has it.

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Maybe Joe will get some joy and satisfaction out of his office of the president elect because it may be short lived. Yes we all will find out at some point.