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Jesus Reading Minds??

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Hey all,
Well, I was up at about 3am this morning, unable to sleep, and as I always do at these times, I think of things, and just get thinking. Well, I was thinking about how Jesus is part God, and how God is omnipresent and omnicient. Jesus was part God, and I know from Biblical accounts that he forsaw the future on several occassions (ie, Peter's denial, his own death). What I was wondering is, could Jesus, like God can, read the minds of all the people around him? Did he know the words that would come out of their mouths before they spoke? Did Jesus know those people with whom he dealt with, their history and everything about them laid out like an open book for Jesus to see? That must have driven him nuts!! I know I would lose it pretty quick, especially in a room full of people, me being able to read their minds all at once and knowing them inside and out better than they know themselves, that is a lot. Or was Jesus limited in this? He obviously didn't go around saying every single thing that would happen before it did, such as "Hey Paul, you are going to have a medium sized loaf of bread for lunch, along with just a bit of tuna, but the tuna will be bad, and you'll have to spit it out." No, Jesus seemed to pick and choose the occasions for telling of future events. But how would Jesus deal, I mean its easier to imagine God being able to, as He is not bound by time, but Jesus was. Did his being able to know the lives of others only extend to those he came in contact with, or did he know everyone on the face of the planet, what they were thinking at say 2:24 in the afternoon?
This has always perplexed me, just how much of God's omnicience and omnipresence wore off on Jesus, since he was a direct link to God.
 

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sweetsoulsong said:
IIRC He can. Although I have heard speakers say that He just wants us to say stuff so we realize it ourselves. And as for the eating stuff...isn't that like...trivial to speak about? I'm sure God takes care of His children, making sure we don't eat posion.
Thank you for your reply, :) About the eating, I didn't mean it like that, it was just an example of Jesus predicting everyday things. I was getting at the fact that Jesus probably wouldn't go around predicting everyday things (ie, what Peter has for lunch) to just kind of "wow" the disciples. He seemed to save his "prediction" abillities for special times, as in Peter's denial and his own death.
 
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Jesus was part God,

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No, He is ALL God and ALL man. 100% both. Not part of one and part of another.

just how much of God's omnicience and omnipresence wore off on Jesus
Above response. Any other view is a heretical view.

Peace.

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Peter said:
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No, He is ALL God and ALL man. 100% both. Not part of one and part of another.


Above response. Any other view is a heretical view.

Peace.

Peter
Hmm, really? How could Jesus be 100% of both? He did not seem to have the full range of God's powers, meaning Jesus had to be made "lesser", to veil a lot of his power to come down here and dwell with us. Hmm...? So then, do you think that Jesus had ALL of God's power, meaning omnicience and omnipresence?
 
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Greetings everyone! There were many things that Jesus "perceived". But he is not omniscient. He is God. But even Christ said of his second coming that he did not know the hour but only the Father knew when he would return. When Jesus became man, he became fully man. He opperated in the Spirit and gave us an example of how to operate the same way. Often scripture indicates that Jesus perceived their thoughts. God gave him a word of knowledge.

Another interested passage about Christ says that he "grew in favor with God and man". Jesus never sinned but he did go through a maturing process.

Anyway, Christ is God. Always has been and always will be. But scripture teaches that he limited himself when he became flesh. He did perform miracles. But he said "I only do what the Father tells me to do."

In other words, he gave us the proper perspective for relationship with God the Father.

Blessings,

Mark
 
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So you are saying the only reason Jesus could perceive things (ie, read people's thoughts, know their past) was because God told it to Jesus??

So Jesus was 100% God and 100% man?? How could that be??

Say you have a mother who is 100% English and a father who is 100% Irish. You cannot be 100% English and 100% Irish, you HAVE to be 50% English and 50% Irish. How could Jesus be 100% God and 100% man at the same time?? At most he could be 50% human (mother Mary) and 50% God (Father God).
 
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Becoming a man didn't change who he was. Jesus is God and he took on a robe of flesh. But taking on flesh did not change WHO he was. I really don't know any other way to explain it. He left heaven, but his existance and his character and his identity were the same on earth, as he has always been. But, he gave up many of his priveleges and abilities he had in heaven (see Philipians 2).

Jesus only did what the Father told him to do. He only spoke what the Father told him to speak.

Blessings,

Mark
 
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Very simple Jesus is three yet he is one, first you have the father,second you have Jesus, third you have the Holy Spirit= just as we are spirit, soul, and body, Jesus represents the father in human form, he took on human form to reveal himself to the world, the Holy Spirit is his voice representing his spirit, Jesus is all three in one The Father,Son and Holy Spirit!! Does not the bible say lean not to your own understanding and in all your ways acknowledge him, let the Holy Spirit show you instead of asking everyone else, he is in you, he has a voice.
Thus the three in one equals God = Jesus..
message meant to encourage not discourage!!
 
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BTW, this debate took place some 1700 years ago and the church, in defending the orthodox beliefs, said that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. He had TWO natures, God's and man's, and the two were never in conflict. The church has never said HOW this is, just that it is.

The reason for this doctrine of orthodox christianity is to defend christianity from false teachers and teachings, like those that came from Arius and Nestorius.

Peace.

Peter
 
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