Jesus In Hell?

[CGL]

I was always curious about this.
Did Jesus spend three days in Hell?

 

[RhodBerth]

The most common interpretation is that Jesus was in hell during the 3 hours of darkness.
Where he was during his death is a matter of dispute. Some say he was in heaven, others say (refering to Pete) that he was in the place where the death saty, to preach them the gospel)

 

[Stinker]

Jesus was in the grave (or hades) for 3 days. Though this is written to be figurative, it says that His 'soul' was in hades.....but God's Holy One would not decay!

If the 'soul' leaves your body...is the body you?

 

[servantx]

I was always curious about this.
Did Jesus spend three days in Hell?

Hi brother,

1 Peter 3:19 said about what Jesus did on that 3 days. Notice that hell is not the prison of fallen angels.

Also notice in Acts 2:31 below said Jesus was in Hades/graves, which is the place of the dead, not yet to the eternal fire.



1Pe 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,
1Pe 3:19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison,
1Pe 3:20 because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.



Act 2:31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Jesus told the thief next to Him that "today you will be with me in Paradise"

 

[StTherese]

From the Catechism:

633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, "hell" - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek - because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God.479 Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into "Abraham's bosom":480 "It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell."481 Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.482

 

[SpiritDriven]

People there is somthing you should be aware of......

I know religion teaches that when you die.....you dont really die, you just go some where else....but it is a lie.

Jesus Christ really did die on the Cross at Calvary, be assured Crucifixtion on a Cross will do that to you, it is Fatal, and Roman Guards where set in place to ensure his death.
They even shoved a spear in his side to make sure he was finished off and completly dead, he was dead as a door nail with out any conciouse thought because he was in Sheol, the place of the unseen, the dead.
Where there is no conciouse thought action or wisdom.
You have to remember that the word that first proceeded out of the mouth of God, was that Jesus Christ showed..Obedience unto Death even unto Death on a Cross.

The Spirits in prison where the people alive at the time during the earthly ministry of Jesus.

There where no comma abreviations used in the original languages the NT was written in.

Jesus said to the theif I am telling you this today that you will be with me in Paradise.....

Jesus did not lie, when the theif is ressurected he will still think it is Crucifixtion day, because the Dead are not aware of the passage of time....they do not even relise they died until the first moments of their ressurection....

Because the living know they shal die but the dead know nothing....

The Good News of The gospel of course is that GOD raised Jesus from the dead on the third day, frustrating even the Guards placed on the tomb to prevent that from happening.

I know this goes against everything men teach you, but it is the truth.
Because of the Obedience unto death on a Cross of Jesus Christ...death will not last for any person who has ever or will ever live.

Hooray for Jesus!

 

[PaladinValer]

I was always curious about this.
Did Jesus spend three days in Hell?

No.

This error is derived when people today read the KJV and forget that the KJV was written during the time when early modern English was the norm.

Pick up a different translation. It says that Jesus went into sheol, not hell. Hell in the KJV can mean actual hell or the immediate afterlife (sheol); its interpretation depends on the context of its use.

The most common interpretation is that Jesus was in hell during the 3 hours of darkness.

He did not go to hell. No one is even in hell yet!

Where he was during his death is a matter of dispute. Some say he was in heaven, others say (refering to Pete) that he was in the place where the death saty, to preach them the gospel)

The Apostle's Creed tells us where He went:

"He descended into sheol"

The Bible also says where He went: Jesus tells the good thief that He will see him in Paradise. Paradise, also known as Abraham's Bosom, is a place in sheol.

Jesus was in the grave (or hades) for 3 days. Though this is written to be figurative, it says that His 'soul' was in hades.....but God's Holy One would not decay!

Why did the Early Christians believe it was literal and not figurative then?

If the 'soul' leaves your body...is the body you?

We are both body and soul. Without the body we are imcomplete; without the soul we are lifeless.

When we die, our life, the soul, continues on in sheol. When the Resurrection occurs, it reunites with our bodies, then perfected.

People there is somthing you should be aware of......

I know religion teaches that when you die.....you dont really die, you just go some where else....but it is a lie.

That made absolutely no sense.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

I know religion teaches that when you die.....you dont really die, you just go some where else....but it is a lie

; We are fools if there is no ressurection. What are you getting at here? I don't know where Jesus went after he died for us, so I won't claim anything. (whether this be because of my lack of knowledge or humans lack of knowledge, I don't know, so don't bother trying to combat this post..)

 

[SpiritDriven]

What I was trying to warn you about was the very first Lie ever told by Satan....

Ye shall not surely die....watch out for that doctrine!

Adam and Eve did not have the wisdom of hindsight on that....we do.

PaladinVadar was correct about us needing a body to live, weather that be a Flesh Body in this life, or an immortal Glorified body, at the first ressurection, or a non glorified body at the second ressurection.

Right now....we are souls, we became souls when Gods spirit was joined to a body... in our current state a flesh body.

Grace and Peace to you

 

[Fireinfolding]

What I was trying to warn you about was the very first Lie ever told by Satan....

Ye shall not surely die....watch out for that doctrine!

SpiritDriven, there were two trees as there are two Adams and two types of deaths, IF ye live by the flesh YE SHALL DIE, Paul said, but IF through the Spirit ye put TO DEATH the deeds of the body YE SHALL LIVE.

Psalm 89:48 What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave? Selah.

Jesus doctrine

John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

They thought He too had a devil too (appearing to echo the serpents words) see John 8:52 who were looking at it carnally (their physical death) they saw DEAD (physically) as DEAD. and THE BODY without the Spirit is DEAD (no doubt)

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

HE (last Adam) IS the Resurrection (Who always IS) and is never past

The living KNOW they shall die

2Cr 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

The DEAD know not anything... as the woman who lives for pleasure IS DEAD while she LIVETH. Being dead is shown after a spiritual truth in this regard and not after a carnal truth.

Those LIVING (spiritually so) delivered to death while they LIVE so that THE LIFE of Christ (Which HE is) is made manifest in them (in their MORTAL flesh).

We WERE already dead.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live


So just as Paul says, IF ye live AFTER the FLESH ye SHALL DIE contrasted to that which speaks of putting TO DEATH the deeds of the flesh YE SHALL LIVE...in relation to NOT being deceived it shows who will not inherit the Kingdom of God 1Cr 6:9

How are you looking at the two trees? You cant just say its Satan which says ye shall not die and leave Christs words out of equation which speak the same in accordance to His words. They both said near the same thing (as quoted above) yet there were two trees. Just as they both said "ye shall be (or are) gods" (in relation to them). Physical death (I have no problems with) we all will die physically (after a carnal truth) this I know. THE BODY without the Spirit IS DEAD I get that. Theres a question on which death after what truth is really being shown if in fact one can BE DEAD while they (physically) LIVE and yet another that LIVES is given over TO DEATH (while they live) but LIFE in what IS MORTAL is becoming manifested (in them). Christ (Who is the resurrection) IS THE LIFE that is manifesting in them.

So after a "carnal truth" THE BODY ~without the Spirit~ IS DEAD that is clear. YET after a "spiritual truth" a body can walk around the block though that person IS DEAD while they (physically) live.

Whats dead then? It cant be their body (it still moves) it cant be "the spirit" because the body is not dead (after that reasoning) see what I mean?

Which one are you coming from?

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[SpiritDriven]

My Goodness!

I liked your post....you are giving me pause to question, please expound further !

Peace

 

[PaladinValer]

What I was trying to warn you about was the very first Lie ever told by Satan....

Ye shall not surely die....watch out for that doctrine!

1. Souls cannot die.
2. Jesus witnesses to that fact
3. Death has been defeated and the gates of sheol have been flung open, forever opening that realm up.

PaladinVadar was correct about us needing a body to live, weather that be a Flesh Body in this life, or an immortal Glorified body, at the first ressurection, or a non glorified body at the second ressurection.

1. Get my name right please.
2. Get what I said right please too.

Right now....we are souls, we became souls when Gods spirit was joined to a body... in our current state a flesh body.

Gnosticism.

 

[SpiritDriven]

Genesis actualy......see where God breathed life into the flesh and man became a living Soul.

Death is the reverse, spirit returns to God who gave it, we are not independant of God, we do not have a seperate immortal Soul indepedant of God.

 

[JonF]

Gnosticism.

QFT

 

[SpiritDriven]

From 1Timothy 6....

14 that you keep this precept unspotted, irreprehensible, unto the advent of our Lord, Christ Jesus,
15 which, to its own eras, the happy and only Potentate will be showing: He is King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 Who alone has immortality, making His home in light inaccessible, Whom not one of mankind perceived nor can be perceiving, to Whom be honor and might eonian! Amen!


Scriptual not Gnosticism

 

[SpiritDriven]

29 "Men! Brethren! Allow me to say to you with boldness concerning the patriarch David, that he deceases also and was entombed, and his tomb is among us until this day.
30 Being, then, inherently, a prophet, and having perceived that God swears to him with an oath, out of the fruit of his loin to seat One on his throne,
31 perceiving this before, he speaks concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither forsaken in the unseen, nor was His flesh acquainted with decay.
32 This Jesus God raises, of Whom we all are witnesses.
33 Being, then, to the right hand of God exalted, besides obtaining the promise of the holy spirit from the Father, He pours out this which you are observing and hearing.
34 "For David did not ascend into the heavens, yet he is saying, 'Said the Lord to my Lord, "Sit at My right
35 Till I should be placing Thine enemies for a footstool for Thy feet."'

Scriptual not Gnosticism

 

[JonF]

and what do those verses have to do with your claim?

 

[PaladinValer]

Genesis actualy......see where God breathed life into the flesh and man became a living Soul.

The breath of life imparted the soul; it doesn't make us souls.

We are bipartite: body and soul (some argue tripartite, but only because many Fathers didn't make it clear that the spirit is a part of the soul). Note and; it means both make up a person. A part alone does not make up a complete person as you require both. You can exist with only part, but it is an incomplete state.

We exist in that incomplete state at death, when our life, the soul, departs from this realm and dwells in sheol. The body stays and rots, but our soul, which includes our rational intellect, goes elsewhere.

Death is the reverse, spirit returns to God who gave it, we are not independant of God, we do not have a seperate immortal Soul indepedant of God.

The soul does not "return to God." It goes into sheol, the abode of the dead; the immediate afterlife, where it waits for the Second Coming on Earth which hails the Resurrection. Then, and only then, does the soul reunite with the body, restored and perfected, and the person becomes a whole, complete being once again.

From 1Timothy 6....

14 that you keep this precept unspotted, irreprehensible, unto the advent of our Lord, Christ Jesus,
15 which, to its own eras, the happy and only Potentate will be showing: He is King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 Who alone has immortality, making His home in light inaccessible, Whom not one of mankind perceived nor can be perceiving, to Whom be honor and might eonian! Amen!


Scriptual not Gnosticism

That had nothing to do with souls.

29 "Men! Brethren! Allow me to say to you with boldness concerning the patriarch David, that he deceases also and was entombed, and his tomb is among us until this day.
30 Being, then, inherently, a prophet, and having perceived that God swears to him with an oath, out of the fruit of his loin to seat One on his throne,
31 perceiving this before, he speaks concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither forsaken in the unseen, nor was His flesh acquainted with decay.
32 This Jesus God raises, of Whom we all are witnesses.
33 Being, then, to the right hand of God exalted, besides obtaining the promise of the holy spirit from the Father, He pours out this which you are observing and hearing.
34 "For David did not ascend into the heavens, yet he is saying, 'Said the Lord to my Lord, "Sit at My right
35 Till I should be placing Thine enemies for a footstool for Thy feet."'

Scriptual not Gnosticism

Ditto my above.

To say we are truly souls is absolutely Gnosticism. It is a denial of the physical existence, which is clearly real in God's Creation in Genesis 1.

An immaterial, ethereal existence is not better than a physical one. That would be Manicheanism, a derivative of Gnosticism. You must acknowledge the equal existence and equal importance of both.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

1. Souls cannot die.
2. Jesus witnesses to that fact
3. Death has been defeated and the gates of sheol have been flung open, forever opening that realm up.

Hi. How do you view that greek word #622 in these verses? Jesus of course did not go to the "Gehenna". Thanks.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

{Tex-Rep} Matt 10:28 And no ye be fearing from the ones killing/apo-kteinontwn <615> (5723) the body, the yet soul no of being able to kill/apo-kteinai <615>.
Be ye fearing yet rather the one-being-able also soul and body to destroy/apo-lesai <622> (5658) in Gehenna.

{Tex-Rep} James 4:12 one is the lawgiver, the one being able to save and to destroy/apo-lesai <622>. Thou yet any are the one judging the other?