Yeshua HaDerekh
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Well define for me what is the consequence of sin?
I haven't argued that people should ignore the merits of their behaviour at all, but that our "sins" are forgiven for a reason. The more we focus on them the closer we creep to that same edge.
Rather, the Law is not necessary for salvation.
You have to appreciate the fact that those scrolls were attached to living people spanning three continents. The enormous number of copies and the fact that they do not deviate by more then a couple of percentage points should be telling you something. So you get a letter from Paul and you read it to the church, another church wants to read the letter to their church. Are you going to send them the scroll or make a copy? The papyrus wasn't all that durable and after it being passed around a while it would start to show signs of wear and tear. A copy was in order, one of the oldest books is John Mark's gospel and he was a Levite, the Jews were well acquainted with how to make an accurate copy, their synagogues all had sacred scrolls.Dating the Bible - Wikipedia
Scroll down to table IV.
Left side dates are speculation as to when the original texts MAY have been authored, but nobody knows for sure since there are no original texts in existence. We haven't even found copies written in Hebrew or Aramaic. The far right side dates are the earliest known papyri, which range from 125 - 400 years AFTER Jesus.
What most people don't stop to consider is the sheer amount of time between the speculative dates and the earliest known papyrus for each book. All of those far right side dates are what all NT's are founded on.
Every single word in the NT is a Greek copy of another copy of unknown origin, written by an unidentified copywriter....hundreds of years later.
There's a fragment of John that's the earliest known at 125 - 160CE.
Taking all of this into consideration, we have no idea just how many copies exist, who wrote them or even how accurate they are to the original texts...none of which have ever been found.
Let's face it, these weren't trained Sofer...they were everyday normal people copying these texts and it's why there are so many contradictions found in the NT.
I'm not saying that the entire NT is inaccurate, but corroborating texts are absolutely needed not only to support their validity but also to support their accuracy.
And if anyone is making the claim of "Jesus said" publicly, then that passage had better be coming from one of Jesus 12 apostles and was actually an eyewitness of the event.
Not doing so would be irresponsible.
Yeshua said "your sins are forgiven BUT GO AND SIN NO MORE"
I seriously don't understand what happened to this thread. Let's think a minute about Leviticus, there is the Burnt Offering, Thanksgiving Offering, Sin Offering and a couple of others, that would appear to be meaningless at this point. The burnt offering is completely consumed so that's the death of the old nature. The sin offering represented the atonement, propitiation and expiation of sin which was central. The sacrifice of the peace offering was a pretty solid example of a fellowship sacrifice since it was eaten before the Lord, not altogether unlike the thanksgiving offering.
There's a pattern here that gives us a look into how salvation works but no one is interested in that. I'm still trying to figure out when the concept of Bible study went out of fashion.
This story that you are quoting, (the Adulterous woman) there is good evidence it wasn't in the original New Testament, so you should really question its validity.
I think you wanted this?
Jesus and the woman taken in adultery - Wikipedia
The idea of sacrifice bothers me period. Sure, it causes some problems but those have largely been solved, at least for Christians.I can see that in a prophetic way, but I do not hold to a literal interpretation of Leviticus in that God literally commanded the sacrifices because there are too many paralells to pagan sacrificial rites in other parts of the Ancient Near East and that has always bothered me.
The enormous number of copies and the fact that they do not deviate by more then a couple of percentage points should be telling you something.
The entire 4 gospels and most of Acts is based on directly observed or accurately reported eye witness testimony / evidence.
3. ALL were spirit-led and superintended by God The Holy Spirit... PERFECT SPIRIT-LED RECALL!
The entire 4 gospels and most of Acts is based on directly observed or accurately reported eye witness testimony / evidence.
I've searched out those apparent contradictions endlessly, never seen one that could stand up to close scrutiny. There isn't a dimes worth of difference between the originals and while I'll happily look at these supposed contradictions I don't expect much.Are you kidding?
194 Contradictions New Testament
Paul and Luke easily have the greatest number of contradictions, no surprise though considering neither of them knew Jesus.
Mark at least had some credence since he was Peter's disciple, but these texts aren't just a couple of percentage points off. You'll see that when you thoroughly review all of these contradictions.
This list doesn't even include all of the non-eyewitness testimony that cannot be corroborated.
I've searched out those apparent contradictions endlessly, never seen one that could stand up to close scrutiny.
No contradiction. Joseph was descendant from Solomon, Mary was descendant from Nathan, making both Solomon and Nathan ancestors to Jesus.Didn't look very hard....here's the first one.
Luke 3:31 Greek Text Analysis
Matthew 1:6 Greek Text Analysis
Sons of David - Wikipedia
- Nathan (son of David), Bathsheba the ancestor of Jesus according to the Genealogy of Jesus in Luke 3:31, considered by some to be the maternal line via Heli, possible father of Mary.
Outright contradiction of Jesus' genealogy.
- Solomon, Bathsheba, the ancestor of Jesus according to the Genealogy of Jesus in Matthew, often considered to be Joseph's line.
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