Have you any thoughts on this? He would presumably have had a X chromosome from Mary, but what about the Y?
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All God had to do was call for the individual components to assemble and karyotype it.
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Remember that the virgin birth is a miracle. Not only does Jesus need a Y chromosome from God, but he also needs the other DNA strand in the other 45 chromosomes.
Since chromosomes were not known at the time, they are not mentioned. The gospel of Luke says:
"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. "
So, in that "come upon thee" and "overshadow thee", you can speculate that God made a sperm (or a bunch of them) and this fertilized an ovum from Mary.
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It isn't a mystery at all. Christ was both fully divine and fully human. Every human has a DNA profile. In order to be fully human, Christ would also have to have a DNA profile.
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It's still a mystery where and how the God half of the DNA originated. It's also a bit of a mystery how the sperm/DNA got into the ovum. Obviously the normal way to get sperm into a woman is sexual intercourse. But if that were used it would be both 1) rape and 2) adultery for both Mary and God.
So if it were not sexual intercourse, it's a mystery how it was done.
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the mystery is how people keep falling for that son of god stuff.
how many cultures have had people make THAT claim. The jews probably got the idea from the pharoahs.
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lucaspa
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The mystery is how you keep confusing your faith with fact. Look, Hespera, we all understand that your belief is atheism. I don't know what you, as an atheist, use as justification for civility and politeness, but please exercise it. Please be more polite and respectful of the beliefs of others.
I don't know of any part of the ancient Egyptian religion that had immaculate conception. The Greek gods certainly impregnated quite a few women, but they all did so the normal way -- screwed them.
What's more, the Jews would not have taken the idea, since they specifically rejected the Egyptian religion. Judaism is very clear that God is not material. There is nothing there to suggest God would take the form of a human. The one time God did take a "form" in the OT, it is as a burning bush where the fire does not consume the wood.
So tell us, Hespera, how many cultures have made the claim to immaculate conception?
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lucaspa
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Sex. If you mean genetics, there was no idea of genetics, then the most common at 1 AD were the ideas of Hippocrates and Aristotle. Basically it was similar to pangenesis. This idea says that hreditary material collects from thruout the body and goes to the reproductive organs. The male gives his hereditary material to the female during sexual intercourse.
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So! Way to go with setting an example of "politness"..The mystery is how you keep confusing your faith with fact. Look, Hespera, we all understand that your belief is atheism. I don't know what you, as an atheist, use as justification for civility and politeness, but please exercise it. Please be more polite and respectful of the beliefs of others.
Im not confused, whatever you think you interepreted. First thing you say is an insult.
Atheism isnt a Belief, like you think it is.
YOU dont believe any of the god / man things except the Christian one. You may even think the Japanese and Egyptins were duped?
Make it even on the politeness bit; quit insulting me / others with talk about "atheist dogma". But I dont actually know what i aid that was rude. Hi light it and if i see that its rude, i will retract and apologize.
Was it when I said "falling for the son of god" story? Perhaps you would hold that in all "son of god" cultures, they fell for a story, all but the Christians, who got it right?
I have never been impressed by the idea that the person I am talking to had the remarkable good luck to be born into the one true faith.
I grew up in Hong Kong in a non religious household. i didnt get inoculated with some "dogma" the way the religious are. I expect such ideas as were expressed were some different from what american kids would hear. Basically, religion of any sort was a non topic. Same as how nigerian stick ball teams might be a non topic.
I would not know how many cultures went fot the "immaculate conception" bit. Is that a somehow profound difference compared to ones with physcial intercourse with a god? The "son of god" part of the claim is far deeper than just how it was done.
I suppose jesus, if he even existed, would have rejected the religion of egypt. Everyone tends to do that with other religions.
But borrowing ideas isnt the same as accepting the whole thing. i notice Christians incorporate a fair number of pagan sorts of rituals.
How many cultures believed in a son of god, how many variations are there on the story? i dont see that it matters. Just that the "son of god" concept is far from original.
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Yeah, they knew more than enough to know when a baby could and couldn't happen.
This is one of those intriguing questions I've sat and pondered for hours on end. Then again, I've also been known to play "ball-in-a-cup".
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I dunno, even this day and age you got people going "I cant be pregnant! he pulled out before the music so im still a virgin!" So even information that is available in the culture does not nessisarily get spread around to all people.
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