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Jesus died once for all

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Jesus spoke in John 3:

16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
Jesus died for every person. Further, Jesus died to redeem the physical creation. Rom 8:

19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
Both people and creation will be renewed on the last day.

1 Peter 3:

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,
1 John 2:

2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Hebrews 10:

10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Romans 6:

10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.
2 Corinthians 5:

15 And he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
Jesus died for everyone, but not everyone will believe. Mat 26:

26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” 27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, 28for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Jesus died for everyone. However, eternal life is conditional on believing. My mother was born in Peking in 1925. As a baby, she was sold into my father's house to be raised as his wife. She never went to school and couldn't read. I told my uneducated mother while she visited me in Iceland: Jesus died for you. Believe, and you will have eternal life. Had I not believed that Jesus died for her, I would not have been able to declare that particular good news.
 
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Jesus spoke in John 3:


Jesus died for every person. Further, Jesus died to redeem the physical creation. Rom 8:


Both people and creation will be renewed on the last day.

1 Peter 3:


1 John 2:


Hebrews 10:


Romans 6:


2 Corinthians 5:


Jesus died for everyone but not everyone will believe. Mat 26:


Only those who believe will participate in the communion and enter the kingdom of God.
1 John 2:2 distinguishes The Saved and The Damned! Ug! How could I have forgotten this one! All Love in Jesus to You, Tony!
 
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Jesus spoke in John 3:


Jesus died for every person. Further, Jesus died to redeem the physical creation. Rom 8:


Both people and creation will be renewed on the last day.

1 Peter 3:


1 John 2:


Hebrews 10:


Romans 6:


2 Corinthians 5:


Jesus died for everyone but not everyone will believe. Mat 26:


Only those who believe will participate in the communion and enter the kingdom of God.
Oh My Goodness... This theologically ends the "Pas" debate! It shows the author of John 3:16's intent in specifying "Kosmou(s)". This is the same author, now fully distinguishing its meaning, Just incase the entire context of John chapter 3 is accidently missed.
 
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Jesus spoke in John 3:
Is it possible that kosmos here could have a different meaning than “everyone who has ever lived”, especially considering that John uses kosmos at least 8 different ways?
Jesus died for every person. Further, Jesus died to redeem the physical creation. Rom 8:


Both people and creation will be renewed on the last day.

1 Peter 3:


1 John 2:


Hebrews 10:


Romans 6:


2 Corinthians 5:


Jesus died for everyone but not everyone will believe. Mat 26:


Only those who believe will participate in the communion and enter the kingdom of God.
Is it possible, grammatically, that in any of these examples, pas could mean all types, as opposed to all without exception?
 
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Is it possible that kosmos here could have a different meaning than “everyone who has ever lived”, especially considering that John uses kosmos at least 8 different ways?

Is it possible, grammatically, that in any of these examples, pas could mean all types, as opposed to all without exception?
1 John 2:2 He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not only for ours, but also for those of the whole world.

Forensically, this is the Author of John 3:16.

In 1 Jn 2:2 He specifies two groups.... Though I, myself do not adopt the doctrine of Election, this is the Biblical answer to this question.

Per the Election doctrine 1 Jn 2:2 would read as follows.

He, Himself is the Propitiation for the Elect's sins, and not only for the Elect's sins, but also for the Reprobate.
1 Jn 2:2 is the Forensic Theological key to this age old argument. IMO
 
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Jesus spoke in John 3:


Jesus died for every person. Further, Jesus died to redeem the physical creation. Rom 8:


Both people and creation will be renewed on the last day.

1 Peter 3:


1 John 2:


Hebrews 10:


Romans 6:


2 Corinthians 5:


Jesus died for everyone but not everyone will believe. Mat 26:


Only those who believe will participate in the communion and enter the kingdom of God.
Both people and creation will be renewed on the last day.

There is 1,000 years spent in heaven ... then the 2nd resurrection of the lost occurs ... sometime after God destroys everything .... THEN He recreates the new heavens and earth.
 
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Jesus died for every person.
Hi Tony. Thank you for your redirect link for this topic. I'll add my 2cents (or maybe 25cents).

It seems to me that to be thorough, the atonement topic must consider the Intent, Extent, and the Application...

(1) The intent of the atonement, i.e., what is God's purpose in the atonement?
(2) The extent of the atonement, i.e., for whose sins did Jesus die?
(3) The application of the atonement, i.e., when and to whom is the atonement applied?

There can be dispute of the purpose of the atonement. Although, I have found most times there is agreement between Hard Calvinist, Soft Calvinists, and Non Calvinists. Although some Non Calvinists can at time present something that is not in agreement (at least from my experience).

Soft Calvinist and Non Calvinist will hold to the distinction of Atonement Accomplished and Atonement Applied. Each saying that the extent is universal (not to be confused with Universalism), and that the application is at the moment of faith. This position would be yours, according to what you wrote, in which one asserts that Christ died for the sins of all mankind. Hard Calvinist (my term) would deny your claim of universal atonement and assert that Jesus died only for the sins of the elect. Further, Hard Calvinists would claim the application was applied at the cross. Thus denying any contingent factor for the atonement to be applied, such as faith.

Where Soft Calvinist and Non Calvinist part ways many times, may be at the 'whom' within the application phase. This disagreement tends to revolve around, in my experience, the concept of Election. Here Soft Calvinist read a more specific, individual concept of election while Non Calvinist may read a more general concept of election that is not individual specific. Of course I have encountered some Non Calvinist that deny the Bible teaches any form of election.

I would like to present two biblical examples of why the Atonement Applied is done at the moment of faith (not at the cross). Thus asserting that Jesus died for the sins of all.

In the NT Jesus is said to be the passover lamb (1Cor 5:7). So we should look into God's example in the OT that He has given us to see what is supposed to represent that which is not seen. In Eco 12:5, it says that the Jewish people are to sacrifice the passover lamb at twilight. When they sacrificed the lamb, Atonement Accomplished; the lamb was slain, the blood paid the price.

However....There was one more contingent step. If the Jewish person would have stopped at the sacrifice, his first born would still die. The Jewish person had to have faith and 'apply' the blood to his home, the door frame and lintel. This is Atonement Applied. The price the blood paid was not applied until the Jewish person had faith to apply it to their home.
Exo 12:13
The blood shall be a sign for you, on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and no plague will befall you to destroy you, when I strike the land of Egypt.
The blood on the house is the sign, not the fact that a lamb was sacrificed. Although, without the grace of the substituted blood of the lamb, there would be no passing over.

The second example is the OT day of Atonement. One would think that our topic of for who's sin did Christ die, we could find some clarity in this visual picture, or shadow of Christ to come, that God has provided in the OT.
Lev 16:21-22
21 "Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send [it] away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 "The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
The verse clearly states that the priest is to make a blood sacrifice (which is Christ) for “the children of Israel”, all the children of Israel, for “all their transgressions” and “all their sins”. This is supported in the NT...
(Heb 9:7 NKJV)
7 But into the second part the high priest [went] alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and [for] the people's sins [committed] in ignorance;
Whose sins? The "people's sins". What people? All the Jewish people. So the Atonement, the sacrifice of the blood, was for everyone according to these two examples God gives us within His word as guidance.

Keep seeking God's truth as if it were hidden treasure
 
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