Jesus before His First Coming.

[Lordservent]

As we all know Yeshua (Jesus) was alive even before Father Abraham:
Jesus said to them, "Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM."
John 8:58
And we also know He saw satan fall from the skies:
He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Luke 10:18
As we know Yeshua was alive even before time itself by the look of things.
I do not believe in Trinity for a reason:
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
Mark 10:18
If Yeshua wasn't G-d Who was He before His First Coming?

 

[St_Worm2]

As we all know Yeshua (Jesus) was alive even before Father Abraham:
Jesus said to them, "Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM."
John 8:58
And we also know He saw satan fall from the skies:
He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Luke 10:18
As we know Yeshua was alive even before time itself by the look of things.
I do not believe in Trinity for a reason:
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
Mark 10:18
If Yeshua wasn't G-d Who was He before His First Coming?

Yeah, and John 1:1 says Yeshua is God and John 3:3 credits Him with being the Creator. So if He's not God ....... well, I did hear the JW's think He might have been Micheal Jackson.

--David

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God"
John 1:1​

 

[Lordservent]

Yeah, and John 1:1 says Yeshua is God and John 3:3 credits Him with being the Creator. So if He's not God ....... well, I did hear the JW's think He might have been Micheal Jackson.

--David

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God"
John 1:1​

Then why does Yeshua say God is above him? That makes no sense then...
And please don't get filth on Yeshua's name please.
We're dealing with Yeshua's words here, he said Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
Mark 10:18
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Mark 13:32
He's the Son, not even He knows the Hour, only the Father.
You know that Trinity is not in The Bible right?
Care to explain? (Be polite please don't compare me to the JW's you're insulting me).

 

[St_Worm2]

Then why does Yeshua say God is above him? That makes no sense then
And please don't get filth on Yeshua's name please.
We're dealing with Yeshua's words here, he said Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
Mark 10:18

By His questions, Jesus was testing the faith of this young ruler. "You call me good"? "No one is good -- except God". The inferred question then is, "do you understand who I am"? "You're calling me good, does that mean you understand that I am God"? "Are you willing to admit that I am God"?

Jesus wasn't denying His deity, on the contrary, He affirmed it. This is, in fact, one of the passages we use to prove He was/is God.

It's interesting that you use this narrative from Luke to interpret the clear, didactic teachings from John 1. Generally speaking, that's backwards. To come to a proper exegesis, the didactic always interprets the narrative sections of Scripture for obvious reasons.

Also, what does your comment, "don't get filth on Yeshua's name", mean? I don't understand! You continue:

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Mark 13:32
He's the Son, not even He knows the Hour, only the Father.
You know that Trinity is not in The Bible right?
Care to explain? (Be polite please don't compare me to the JW's you're insulting me).

The JW/Michael Jackson thing was in jest LS .. I truly wasn't trying to insult anyone, not even the JW's! I feel bad that you took it that way and am sorry for the misunderstanding!

As for Mark 13:32, although Jesus was fully God, and He did demonstrate His omniscience on several occasions, when He was with us as the God/man, He voluntarily restricted the use of certain Divine attributes (Phil. 2:6–8) for our sake. He chose to restrict His omniscience to only those things God wanted Him to know during the days of His humanity (John 15:15).

Hope that helps!

--David

 

[shturt678]

Then why does Yeshua say God is above him? That makes no sense then...
And please don't get filth on Yeshua's name please.
We're dealing with Yeshua's words here, he said Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
Mark 10:18

Mk.10:18, "....Why dost call me good? No one is good except one, God." I've had to work with others for decades where they use this passage to prove Jesus not equal to God hence let's scrutinize together. When the young ruler called Jesus "good" and asked what "good thing" he should do to gain life, the heart of the question lay in the sense in which he meant agathos, "good." Note that in this connection the positive "good" is used in absolute sense and is thus stronger than the superlative would be (Koine 102).

The question of Jesus: "Why callest thou me good?" want to bring home to the ruler the point about "good," Jesus makes no pronouncement whatever about himself, but tells this ruler to pause and to think what "good" really means. Jesus points out that goodness in the true sense can be predicated only of God. So far is this from denying the Godhead of Jesus that it actually asserts it. "Good," Jesus intends to say, "if you mean that in the common sense, it is too cheap to apply to me! It is quite another thing to use good in its real meaning as it applies only to God!" The man is thus led to look at Jesus in a new way, to consider that Jesus, nay, indeed, be God, essentially one with God as his Son.

 

[pshun2404]

Then why does Yeshua say God is above him? That makes no sense then...
And please don't get filth on Yeshua's name please.
We're dealing with Yeshua's words here, he said Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
Mark 10:18
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Mark 13:32
He's the Son, not even He knows the Hour, only the Father.
You know that Trinity is not in The Bible right?
Care to explain? (Be polite please don't compare me to the JW's you're insulting me).

Two things...the word "trinity" is not in the Bible but the the one YHVH as Father, Word, and Holy Spirit are in the Bible...secondly the Father, Son and Holy Spirit all have unique and different roles and functions...Only the Father and the son can and do send forth the Spirit, the Son glorifies the Father. the Spirit glorifies the Son. No one has ever seen or heard the Father, the Son declares Him (that is makes Him manifest), so when we hear God it is the Spirit or the Word, or when ever He appeared in the Old Testament is was the Word/Son and so on...

Paul

 

[REPHAIAHPEDAHEL]

Lordservent, st worm2 and shturt678 have given you good answers!

1Jn 5:7 So there are three witnesses in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One;

 

[shturt678]

Lordservent, st worm2 and shturt678 have given you good answers!

1Jn 5:7 So there are three witnesses in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One;

.....you bring the thermo-nuclear hammer down, e.g., IJn.5:7. Good job!

 

[A New Day]

St_Worm2 and shturt678 I like that view about the verse that Jesus said to the young ruler that understanding is something new to me, and I have a question about if you don't mind:

does that view imply that Jesus himself was God or that his essence is of the Father as the Nicene creed says? I ask you the question in the light of the additional verse of Lordservent: "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Mark 13:32

Thank you.

 

[A New Day]

the Son glorifies the Father. the Spirit glorifies the Son.

And I see that the Father glorifies the Son too in:
John 17:5
John 8:54
John 13:31

 

[St_Worm2]

St_Worm2 and shturt678 I like that view about the verse that Jesus said to the young ruler that understanding is something new to me, and I have a question about if you don't mind:

does that view imply that Jesus himself was God or that his essence is of the Father as the Nicene creed says? I ask you the question in the light of the additional verse of Lordservent: "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Mark 13:32

Thank you.

I'm not following the "essence" thing. Here's the Nicene Creed, could you tell me which part you're talking about? Thanks!!

I wonder if I could have a different translation?

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and became truly human.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father [and the Son],
who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
​

 

[A New Day]

Thank you St_Worm2 that you mentioned that version, I am afraid that I do not know that, I made a search about the version that you have and I think that it may be the version of the 1979. But about the essence/substance I know another version and that is:

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

However, about what Jesus said to the young ruler, I am interested in your understanding, do you care to explain it more?

thank you.

 

[shturt678]

St_Worm2 and shturt678 I like that view about the verse that Jesus said to the young ruler that understanding is something new to me, and I have a question about if you don't mind:

does that view imply that Jesus himself was God or that his essence is of the Father as the Nicene creed says? I ask you the question in the light of the additional verse of Lordservent: "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Mark 13:32

Thank you.

13:32, what Jesus predicates of himself is something that pertains to his human nature. The Scriptures show that Jesus may be named according to either nature, and yet that something that belongs to the opposite nature may constitute the predicate.

Jesus = co-essential divinity of the Son (consubstantial) = God. Hope have that dialed in as been awhile but do have the Trinity, not in the Bible translations, but definitely in the inspired Autographs, i.e., "consubstantiality" = Trinity = three divine Persons (hypostases). Should be close? Hope this helps?

 

[A New Day]

Thank you shturt678 for your understanding, I am afraid though that I always fall short when there are difficult words, it seems that I will not understand Mark 13:32 today and that I will have to read the answers in this thread more I think but before I like to share my understanding too.

 

[A New Day]

As we all know Yeshua (Jesus) was alive even before Father Abraham:
Jesus said to them, "Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM."
John 8:58
And we also know He saw satan fall from the skies:
He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Luke 10:18
As we know Yeshua was alive even before time itself by the look of things.

Hi, about your question: Jesus before His First Coming. I have the following verses for you:

Proverbs 8:22
“The Lord possessed me at the beginning of his work,
the first of his acts of old.
23 Ages ago I was set up,
at the first, before the beginning of the earth.
24 When there were no depths I was brought forth,
when there were no springs abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains had been shaped,
before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 before he had made the earth with its fields,
or the first of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there;
when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
28 when he made firm the skies above,
when he established the fountains of the deep,
29 when he assigned to the sea its limit,
so that the waters might not transgress his command,
when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 then I was beside him, like a master workman,
and I was daily his delight,
rejoicing before him always,
31 rejoicing in his inhabited world
and delighting in the children of man.

John 1
1 The Word already was, way back before anything began to be. The Word and God were together. The Word was God.
2 Before anything began to be, the Word was there with God.
3 God made everything by the Word. Nothing has been made without him.

Isaiah 55:11
So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me void,
But it shall accomplish what I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.

John 17:4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.

John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Hebrews 1
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors many times and in many ways through the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us through his Son. He is the one through whom God created the universe, the one whom God has chosen to possess all things at the end. 3 He reflects the brightness of God's glory and is the exact likeness of God's own being, sustaining the universe with his powerful Word.

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever.
John 14:7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Psalm 33:6 By the word of the Lord the heavens were made,
And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth (Spirit)

Job 26:13
By his wind the heavens were made fair; (Spirit)
his hand pierced the fleeing serpent.


If you follow the verses you may realize that they are about the creation and they could not speak about the creation without the mention of what people call the trinity.

Continue to follow with me please.

in Luke I see the man Jesus rejoicing in the Spirit:
Luke 10:21 At that same hour Jesus rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and the intelligent and have revealed them to infants; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will. 22 All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”

Do you read "have revealed them to infants"? when God reveals himself to us in his Holy Spirit we may act like children because God is not arrogant but God is innocent love like a little child, as in 2 Samuel 6 where David seemed humiliated to others and he danced with only a linen cloth around his waist when he was filled by the Spirit of God. The same as the disciples on the day of the Pentecost when others thought they were drunk.

The holy spirit is not just a siprit, it reveals itself and it manifests like in the day of the Pentecost where it filled the disciples and all the house where they were sitting and they almost looked drunk to others and all their body was touched.
The disciples are living and breathing material beings yet they were touched by the Spirit in both their body and the spirit.

Now see the following relation:
Luke 1:35
The angel said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be holy; he will be called Son of God.

There was no matter here yet an earthly body was conceived in her womb only by the Spirit (isn't this creation as well?).
So the Word took part too (Isaiah 55:11, John 1, Hebrews 1) and the Spirit took part in the creation (Psalm 33:6, Job 26:13, Luke 1:35)

The Father works, the Spirit works and the Son works and it is only a one God. This God is revealed to us in different manners and on different situations according to his plan.

- The Father omnipotent is God: Our Father in heaven; May your holy name be honored; may your Kingdom come... In John 14:8 Philip said, Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us. 10 The words that I have spoken to you, Jesus said to his disciples, do not come from me. The Father, who remains in me, does his own work.
- The neverchanging Word of the Father, The only begotten Son of the Father is God: John 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us through his Son.
- The Holy Spirit is God: 1 Corinthians 6:19 Don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and who was given to you by God?

This God is who creates everything, it is a One God, the trinity unified in creation.

God revealing Himself is a gift to the ones who love him and according to his good will and our good because we are from God and why can't I try to see God in things around me because the creation did not stop (John 5:17 and Philippians 2:13), we simply don't die as well but we continue to exist as the bible teaches us.

• i will tell you more insights

John 8:58 Very truly I tell you, Jesus answered, before Abraham was born, I am!

John 15:26 But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

John 16:7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

John 16:12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

John 8:28 So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me.

Mark 1:11 And a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”

John 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep.

John 12:28 Father, glorify your name.” Then a voice came from heaven: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that stood there and heard it said that it had thundered. Others said, “An angel has spoken to him.” 30 Jesus answered, “This voice has come for your sake, not mine.

I do not believe in Trinity for a reason:
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
Mark 10:18
If Yeshua wasn't G-d Who was He before His First Coming?

There is something for us christians to be proud about it and that is that God wants us to be his children (Matthew 6:9, John 17:6, Romans 8:15, Psalm 82:6, John 10:34, 2 Corinthians 6:1, 1 Corinthians 3:9, John 17:22, John 17:24) and he revealed his great love to us that he has spoken to us through the Word incarnate the Son who told us:

John 15:15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

So because of all what I mentioned, I can personally say that the trinity is something real.

And about your Mark 10:18 verse I am not sure why Jesus said that to the young ruler but I can tell you about a similar verse and that is:

John 5:30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

And I understand that to mean the will of the Father, who is in heaven, because if his Word would have a will that is seperate than the will of the Father than there will be two wills and that is what is impossible because it is only a one God, but the will of the Father and the Will of the Son is one and because they are one. John 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one

So they are both one and that is not all, the Spirit that was there in the creation he is also one with them, the Lord said:

John 14:7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever.

And notice the following please, in John 14:7 he said I will send and in John 14:16 he said I will ask the Father and he will send, do you notice something? It means that when the Son will be glorified in his glory, when he will ascend again to heaven - John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man. - then he will himself send the Holy Spirit because he is equal with the Father unseen in heaven - John 5:18... but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

• i will tell you more insights.

John 12:28 Father, glorify your name!” Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.

John 12:31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.

John 13:31 When he was gone, Jesus said, “Now the Son of Man is glorified and God is glorified in him.

John 14:28 You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

John 17:4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

If I say that there is no trinity then there must be a person who is lesser than another or in other words two or more Gods, but that is impossible.
If you have any question after that you read my post please ask and I will try to help as much as I can because how great someone may know we will all fall short.

 

[St_Worm2]

...does that view imply that Jesus himself was God or that his essence is of the Father as the Nicene creed says?

Hi A New Day, to be clear and answer your question directly, yes, Jesus Himself is God as the Nicene Creed labors to explain. Again, the Nicene Creed (older version) says:

"......Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father....."
​

The Son is "one substance with the Father", NOT, "his essence is of the Father". The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE Being.

You continue:

However, about what Jesus said to the young ruler, I am interested in your understanding, do you care to explain it more?

Do you mean you'd like to know how I arrived at that understanding of the text?

Yours and His,
David

 

[A New Day]

- Thank St_Worm2 for mentioning that about the Nicene creed, it seems that when I asked you my mind was thinking about yet an older version of 325 AD that says:

the only-begotten that is of the essence of the Father...

And I can see that this sentence was removed a few years later. I personally feel that the version that we have now: being of one substance with the Father, is more accurate but I think that I have to search more and to ask more about the Nicene creed.

- Yes I am interested to know how you arrived at the following interesting understanding:

By His questions, Jesus was testing the faith of this young ruler. "You call me good"? "No one is good -- except God". The inferred question then is, "do you understand who I am"? "You're calling me good, does that mean you understand that I am God"? "Are you willing to admit that I am God"?

Jesus wasn't denying His deity, on the contrary, He affirmed it. This is, in fact, one of the passages we use to prove He was/is God.

And also if you think that the same understanding can be applied to the following verses too:

Matthew 16:17 Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

Matthew 4:2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.

Matthew 26:38 Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.”

John 14:28 "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Romans 5:17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

1 Corinthians 15:3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures.

Matthew 1:1 This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham
Romans 9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

In other words, how much do you think is that understanding applicable to the verses about the two natures of Jesus that are the Son of man without a sin of course, and the Son of God?

 

[shturt678]

- Thank St_Worm2 for mentioning that about the Nicene creed, it seems that when I asked you my mind was thinking about yet an older version of 325 AD that says:



And I can see that this sentence was removed a few years later. I personally feel that the version that we have now: being of one substance with the Father, is more accurate but I think that I have to search more and to ask more about the Nicene creed.

- Yes I am interested to know how you arrived at the following interesting understanding:



And also if you think that the same understanding can be applied to the following verses too:

Matthew 16:17 Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

Matthew 4:2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.

Matthew 26:38 Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.”

John 14:28 "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Romans 5:17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

1 Corinthians 15:3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures.

Matthew 1:1 This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham
Romans 9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

In other words, how much do you think is that understanding applicable to the verses about the two natures of Jesus that are the Son of man without a sin of course, and the Son of God?

Some of my favorite passages and will posit, off the top and open for refute of course, "Son of God" means, as formally well brought forward, the eternal, co-equal, essential Son, the second Person of the Godhead. "Son of man" coined by Jesus, deriving his title from Dan.7:14?? Nothing in front of me so maybe off? Don't want to get too far behind. Thank you folks for caring for the Cross and insignificant me.

 

[ebedmelech]

As we all know Yeshua (Jesus) was alive even before Father Abraham:
Jesus said to them, "Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM."
John 8:58
And we also know He saw satan fall from the skies:
He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Luke 10:18
As we know Yeshua was alive even before time itself by the look of things.
I do not believe in Trinity for a reason:
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
Mark 10:18
If Yeshua wasn't G-d Who was He before His First Coming?

Jesus can be called God because He is the 2nd person of the Trinity!

Any of the Trinity can be called God. When you start trying to understand the Trinity, instead of realizing it's a mystery that we cannot understand fully, you're going to have problems.

Thomas said to Jesus "My Lord and my God".

Jesus asked the rhetorical question of that young man. When he asked “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good;

Basically, Jesus was making known the young man had come to a right conclusion about Him as the person to ask...because He is God.