You have yet to point to any reference in the bible to this supposed change in the created state.
The fall was a change in the created state, at least the ground, or surface of the earth. The changes from pre flood to post babel are so great, that only a universe state change could explain it.
There was the 120 year warning from God as well.
No it is up to you to provide some evidence for your wild claims. If the state of the universe changed as you believe, then there should be some indication in the observable universe. If redshift and CMB we see in distant parts of the universe happened before your 'split'. Why do we not see the universe obeying different laws back then?
I am not sure we don't to start with. Although I assume the universe is all the same as here..for now. If the change left light affected out there as redshifted, then the redshift IS an indication. You just read it wrong. Same with CMB!
Clearly you think the split has a massive effect on our observations, throwing all our attempts to study the universe into confusion, but at the same time you don't think the changes in the universe are detectable. That makes no sense.
You have no grasped HOW massive!!! ALL we see is the effect!
Yet you believe science is able to observe stars from before your split as well as after,
Woah!!! No! They would only see this state. Assuming the universe is this state. But what we see, such as light did not get here in this state only. The only bits that got here in this state, are the bits since this state existed.
that it can study geological formations and tectonic movement that occurred before, during and after the split,
Yes, but not have any clue as to that the state was when they were laid down!
what about radioactive decay do you believe they occurred at different rates or released different energies before and after the split?
NO. I don't see that it existed. Nor will exist in the forever state.
These are all things science can study and yet has found none of the supposed changes you think happened.
False. It can only study HERE. It has merely superimpose the rules and laws of HERE, on THERE.
On the other hand, there is plenty of reason for science not to detect the new heavens and earth, because they simply haven't happened yet.
I agree. And by the same token, the now GONE different state already happened! So it can't be detected by PRESENT science either.
Either the universe underwent a change in state and science should be able to detect the difference between events that happened before and after, or the universe has always been following the same laws and the age of the earth and universe calculated through constant rates of radioactive decay and the speed of light is accurate.
No. This universe NEVER underwent a change, so the sciience OF this universe state can't know. This universe we know IS the change. That takes it out of their depth.
Either the supernovas in distant galaxies occurred before the split and we are observing events before the split with light travelling through the split, and the differences of pre and post split physics should be glaringly obvious, or they happened after the split and measurement of how long ago it happened are right.
Not necessarily. If, for example they were an
in split event, then the light we know was not here, or space, etc. So how it got here is neither post split, present state, or pre split former state, but a combination. There are other possibilities as well. But unless you can fix this state through all past and future, you have no case whatsoever.
No as I said before, the problems with creationism are not evidence for your explanation, they are simply evidence creationism is wrong. You need to present actual evidence for your split, yet you have neither biblical references nor scientific evidence for an even that should be glaringly obvious in geology and astronomy.
No they are not. I am not sure they are supposed to be taken literally when Moses who is supposed to have lived to 120, tells us in Psalm 90 that man's lifespan is only 70 or 80. Even if you do take them literally, they are only evidence that God shortened man's lifespan, Gen 6:3
his days shall be 120 years, not that the state of the universe changed.
I live in Wales we have water above the earth most of the time, usually dripping down too.
Since it is this state, and rain water, it doesn't apply.
The bible doesn't say plants grew faster, light moved faster, or evolution happened faster before the flood.
The story it tells rquire it. For example, God planted a garden, in creation week. Man and beast ate the fruits of the trees days later. No way round it.
Some people claim plants grew faster to explain coal deposits, but the bible does not say that.
I disagree. Noah also saw the olive twig in a week after the flood. The tree of life also grows fruit every month! It was in Eden too.
And of course creationists interpret Gen 1 to say when God created plants and trees they grew up in a single day. But a) that is simply their interpretation of the passage, and b) even if it were true, we are looking at God creating the plants. [/quote]
No. Not in a single day. It was two or three days. The garden, clearly, was a garden, and PLANTED!
There isn't the slightest hint the supposed rapid growth was due to a different state of the universe that changed after the universe split in Gen 10.
Yes. There is, many clues.
What has plate tectonic got to do with it? Oh I get it you are taking a passage describing how God divided the land among the different nations ignoring the context and word use, and following the modern creationist reinterpretation of the passage as God splitting the continent apart.
No. Some experts include the continents as part of what divided. I balance that with science. WE KNOW it divided. The question is when. It can't be at the flood, as I see it. The animals needed to migrate. A lot easier in a Pangea type land mass, than over seas.
Then you take the creationist reinterpretation and run with it, so that not only was the 'earth' physically split apart the entire universe divided too.
It had to be changed, because so many laws are different. Living 1000 years is impossible here. Fast growing plants...light that gets here from far stars..etc etc etc And the BIG thing is that the spiritual is now separate. No longer can man build up to heaven! Or marry angels!
Reading plate tectonics into Genesis was bad eisegesis in the first place, your split between physical and spiritual is simply groundless speculation.
Is there any evidence in scripture of science for your split?
There is no evidence against it. Any more than against heaven. ALL history and bible point to major differences. The future of the bible is also different, yet similar. I got it all.