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I see no more threat in your apocalypse myth than in being trampled by unicorns, but thank you, anyway.
That was not my claim. Not everyone decided to forgo marriage. Some did it. Paul encouraged it but did not insist upon it.
I'm not speaking against those who made life decisions based on a prophecy they took to heart. Nor am I speaking against Paul who believed the same thing and encouraged them.
I'm angry at the author of II Peter for:
- Using rhetorical sleight of hand to wave away the whole dilemma as if those who sacrificed married life and parenthood had stupidly forgotten a simple prophetic guideline and had taken Christ literally (when he gave no hint whatsoever that he was being anything but).
- Labeling as "scoffers" those who had begun to examine the significance of the dying off of that generation Christ spoke of.
- Dealing with Paul, whom he apparently couldn't accuse of being mistaken, by proclaiming him Hard To Understand and therefore making anything he said subject to interpretation by the authorities (themselves), all those disagreeing being ignorant and unstable.
That book is so full of verbal abuse, manipulation and trickery it is staggering.
I'm sorry, Blessed. II Peter is a real faith-breaker for me. Not a breaker of belief in supernatural claims. Supernatural claims don't mean much to me. What it breaks for me is my faith in the early church. I don't think it was very nice. I think it become not nice at all pretty quickly as the first generation of Christians began to bow out and die off.
There can be a lot of steps to losing one's faith. It is a long journey of sorting through the rubble and finding what still rings true and what does not--what the full import of Christ's message really is and it's not. There are sad weigh stations all along the road. Much magical thinking to be cast off.
Jellyfish notwithstanding.
I really gotta read the bible someday. If anything, just to gain a better understanding of the stories themselves.
I think of Penn Jillete when he says the best argument he found against the God of the bible was a reading of the bible itself.
It could be tomorrow or a million tomorrows from now, no (hu)man can know when it will be.And will be for 2000, no 2000 times 2000 more.
I haven't lost my faith yet. I don't plan to based on no misconception of my own. All you're doing, is distorting Paul's intentions and the outcomes. Paul wasn't saying that people shouldn't get married because the end times were coming, Paul was saying that it isn't a necessity because some people will find it easier to serve God on their own. That's about as deep as I can go right now because I'm very tired.
Did you read what I said in what you quoted?I gotta get this straight...you say the best argument against the Bible is reading it,
I think of Penn Jillete when he says the best argument he found against the God of the bible was a reading of the bible itself.
How much time have you put into understanding the Quran?yet you haven't read it and you admit you don't understand it.
The US, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse, is the 5th horeman to rule the earth for Jesus. Our weapons bring hell and death to the enemies of Jesus.
Eze 3:7 for the .whole house of Israel is hardened and obstinate.
Eze 3:27 Whoever will listen let him listen, and whoever will
refuse let him refuse; for they are a rebellious house.
Just as in the days of Ezekiel, people are hardened, obstinate,
and rebellious
http://www.thelightgate.com/BGR - 7-6-2014 52.mp3
Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and
kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences,
and earthquakes, in divers places.
This.grayeagle48 said:Just as in the days of Ezekiel, people are hardened, obstinate, and rebellious http://www.thelightgate.com/BGR%20-%207-6-2014%2052.mp3
Even the history channell believes in the last days.
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