jeffrey epstein

[Zachm531]

So we are really just going to let this whole thing get pushed under the rug? We need to stand up, this is unacceptable. What about all of the other celebrities and politicians who were supposedly involved? No investigation? Disgusting!

 

[Oldmantook]

So we are really just going to let this whole thing get pushed under the rug? We need to stand up, this is unacceptable. What about all of the other celebrities and politicians who were supposedly involved? No investigation? Disgusting!

Yes disgusting. The system is rigged and evil which is why he was murdered in jail. The only consolation is that vengeance is God's.

 

[SPF]

So we are really just going to let this whole thing get pushed under the rug? We need to stand up, this is unacceptable. What about all of the other celebrities and politicians who were supposedly involved? No investigation? Disgusting!

I'm pretty sure that the judge of the universe doesn't let anything go.

 

[Redwingfan9]

So we are really just going to let this whole thing get pushed under the rug? We need to stand up, this is unacceptable. What about all of the other celebrities and politicians who were supposedly involved? No investigation? Disgusting!

There's a lot of rumor about Epstein but very few facts. Deut 19:15 teaches us that by the voice of two or three witnesses a fact is established. 2 Cor 13:1 stands for the same principle. While it appears Epstein may have been up to all sorts of vile iniquities, the reality is that there's precious little evidence. Rumor doesn't establish fact. Conspiracy theories don't establish facts.

The fact that Epstein knew a lot of rich and famous people is not evidence they were involved in child sexual slavery with him. The fact that someone visited his Virgin Islands home is not evidence that they had sexual relations with anyone on that island, much less with someone under age. There just isn't any evidence of any wrong doing, certainly none involving the rich and famous. That doesn't mean there could never be evidence linking someone to criminal activity, I only mean to suggest that evidence isn't known by the public (or perhaps anyone) now.

 

[Zachm531]

There's a lot of rumor about Epstein but very few facts. Deut 19:15 teaches us that by the voice of two or three witnesses a fact is established. 2 Cor 13:1 stands for the same principle. While it appears Epstein may have been up to all sorts of vile iniquities, the reality is that there's precious little evidence. Rumor doesn't establish fact. Conspiracy theories don't establish facts.

The fact that Epstein knew a lot of rich and famous people is not evidence they were involved in child sexual slavery with him. The fact that someone visited his Virgin Islands home is not evidence that they had sexual relations with anyone on that island, much less with someone under age. There just isn't any evidence of any wrong doing, certainly none involving the rich and famous. That doesn't mean there could never be evidence linking someone to criminal activity, I only mean to suggest that evidence isn't known by the public (or perhaps anyone) now.

I can not express to you how much I disagree with what you wrote, but, still the evidence should still be presented in a court room and there should still be a trial with whatever evidence they have.

 

[Redwingfan9]

I can not express to you how much I disagree with what you wrote, but, still the evidence should still be presented in a court room and there should still be a trial with whatever evidence they have.

This isn't the middle ages, we don't try dead people for crimes just so we can hang them in effigy in the town square.

 

[JackRT]

I can not express to you how much I disagree with what you wrote, but, still the evidence should still be presented in a court room and there should still be a trial with whatever evidence they have.

There has to be compelling evidence in the first place before someone is brought to trial. Isn't that what the grand jury system is all about?

 

[Redwingfan9]

There has to be compelling evidence in the first place before someone is brought to trial. Isn't that what the grand jury system is all about?

It doesn't even have to be compelling evidence. A grand jury only considers the civil standard when determining whether there's enough evidence for a formal trial. They consider little more than whether it is more likely than not that a crime was committed. It's a far cry from beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Zachm531]

This isn't the middle ages, we don't try dead people for crimes just so we can hang them in effigy in the town square.

Youre right and our justice system shouldnt let the guilty go free. What about all of the others? They arent even tried?

 

[Redwingfan9]

Youre right and our justice system shouldnt let the guilty go free. What about all of the others? They arent even tried?

You're assuming there are others in the Epstein case. I've seen plenty of rumor about other people but precious little evidence that there are others involved.

 

[JackRT]

You're assuming there are others in the Epstein case. I've seen plenty of rumor about other people but precious little evidence that there are others involved.

When serious accusations are made without one iota of evidence the only term that applies is smear campaign. A prime example is what happened to Hillary Clinton leading up to the last campaign. Donald Trump said "Lock her up" and the gullible crowds chanted it. What happened? Nothing. It was all a lie right from the first.

 

[Redwingfan9]

When serious accusations are made without one iota of evidence the only term that applies is smear campaign. A prime example is what happened to Hillary Clinton leading up to the last campaign. Donald Trump said "Lock her up" and the gullible crowds chanted it. What happened? Nothing. It was all a lie right from the first.

Hillary is a little different in that she clearly had a technical violation of the law by having classified documents stored on a personal server. That's the sort of case that prosecutors rarely take on, especially for people outside of government at the time. Trump ran wild with it, in large part because he recognized that his base was predisposed to believe the Clinton's are criminals and murderers. There is a long list of people the right thinks were killed by the Clintons, usually beginning with Vince Foster. All of the accusations are pure conjecture, there's no actual evidence.

If we want to go to the other side of the asile, the recent accusations against Trump are likewise conjecture devoid of actual facts. That's true so far on Ukraine, it's been proven true on Russia. I don't per se have a problem with investigations but everyone needs to cool their jets and let the investigations take place before they reach conclusions.

 

[Zanting]

I wouldn't be so quick to say nothing is going on in the Epstein case. A lot of the investigation is going on outside the US. The FBI raided Epstein island so there is no telling what kind of evidence they have.

As for precious little evidence...I would agree there is precious little evidence that is public, there are several witnesses however and sex tapes that have been confiscated...Epstein was known to have recorded everything.

Evidence we know nothing about has also been confiscated from his ranch in New Mexico as well as witnesses. Hardly a smear campaign when there is ample evidence to suggest otherwise.

It's likely the cases springing out of the Epstein fiasco are far spreading and connected to the many elites known to associate with him. It will not be a simple investigation in any stretch of the imagination. Just because the public is perhaps unaware of evidence that has been gathered, doesn't mean it isn't there...