LDS Jane Doe, Let's talk about Jesus

[Daniel Marsh]

I guess the place to begin talking about Jesus is his pre-existence.

Colossians 1:15-17 “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”

Hebrews 1:1-2 “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”

Hebrews 1:10 “And, You, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:”

1 John 4:9 “because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.”

Revelation 22:13 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”

Micah 5:2 KJV “But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”
Micah 5:2 NIV “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”

John 8:58
Verse Concepts
Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

John 17:5
"Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

John 17:24
"Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

Philippians 2:5-11 Good News Translation (GNT)
5 The attitude you should have is the one that Christ Jesus had:

6 He always had the nature of God,
but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God.
7 Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had,
and took the nature of a servant.
He became like a human being
and appeared in human likeness.
8 He was humble and walked the path of obedience all the way to death—
his death on the cross.
9 For this reason God raised him to the highest place above
and gave him the name that is greater than any other name.
10 And so, in honor of the name of Jesus
all beings in heaven, on earth, and in the world below
will fall on their knees,
11 and all will openly proclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Off the top of my head these are some verses that comes to mind.

 

[Jane_Doe]

What a fantastic thread!!! This is awesome.

Also great verses! Thank you for posting them. I just wanted to give a overarching "Amen!" for all, before going into more specific shouting of joy in my next posts.

 

[Jane_Doe]

This is one of my favorite verses of scripture*:
Revelation 22:13 “13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

I love the way it just perfectly incapsulates God's power- that He is the almighty, the source of creation, salvation, eternally there and powerful. I also love the tie in to Psalms 90:2 "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God."

*Admittedly, my list of favorite verses is very long.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

What a fantastic thread!!! This is awesome.

Also great verses! Thank you for posting them. I just wanted to give a overarching "Amen!" for all, before going into more specific shouting of joy in my next posts.

 

[Anto9us]

just in case you hadn't heard:


in the beginning was The Word

John 1:1

and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

 

[Anto9us]

I love 'pre-existence' verses !!

 

[drjean]

Pre-incarnate Christ in Old Testament (Theophanies/Christophanies):

Genesis 3:8 “And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden."

Genesis 18:1 "The LORD appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat at the entrance of his tent in the heat of the day"

Genesis 32: "And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God"

vs 30 "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved"

Exodus 3:2 "There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up"

Daniel 3:25 "He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. "

 

[Jane_Doe]

I love 'pre-existence' verses !!

On a totally unrelated note: I like your new avatar.

 

[Jane_Doe]

1 John 4:9 “because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.”

Another gem! Along obviously with John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his onlybegotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life“

I remember so keenly how Christ first saved me, many years ago. He rescued me from my sins, my misery, my loneliness. He rescued me then, and He rescued me again today. He is totally my Savior, my King.

 

[Anto9us]

thx Jane
the very first appearance of Black Panther in the comic books -- 1966

Creator/writer Stan Lee is 95 now

and now back to THE BEGINNING

 

[Anto9us]

Jhn 1:10
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Jhn 1:11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Jhn 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

[Rescued One]

Debate Other Religions & Faiths

A false christ or a false messiah is a pretender who claims to be the One sent from God to save humanity.

 

[Rescued One]

I guess the place to begin talking about Jesus is his pre-existence.

According to Mormonism, every single person on earth always existed.


Doctrine and Covenants 132
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 

[Rescued One]

Doctrine and Covenants 130
22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit.

 

[Anto9us]

it is really beyond our comprehension -- this TIME

and BEFORE TIME

and AFTER TIME

 

[Rescued One]

A Christian is saved the moment they are regenerated by the Holy Spirit. Jesus will never leave them. The Christian knows he will have the eternal life that God promised.

A Mormon has a huge amount of work to do in order to earn eternal life.

Doctrine and Covenants 130
21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.

Our faith in Him must be such that we repent of our sins and obey His commandments.

He commands us all to receive certain ordinances:

1. We must be baptized.
2. We must receive the laying on of hands to be confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ and to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
3. Brethren must receive the Melchizedek Priesthood and magnify their callings in the priesthood.
4. We must receive the temple endowment.
5. We must be married for eternity, either in this life or in the next.
6. In addition to receiving the required ordinances, the Lord commands all of us to:
7. Love God and our neighbors.
8. Keep the commandments.
9. Repent of our wrongdoings.
10. Search out our kindred dead and receive the saving ordinances of the gospel for them.
11. Attend our Church meetings as regularly as possible so we can renew our baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacrament.
12. Love our family members and strengthen them in the ways of the Lord.
13. Have family and individual prayers every day.
14. Teach the gospel to others by word and example.
15. Study the scriptures.
16. Listen to and obey the inspired words of the prophets of the Lord.
17. Finally, each of us needs to receive the Holy Ghost and learn to follow His direction in our individual lives.
18. Chapter 47: Exaltation
19. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
20. Articles of Faith 1

Actually there is more that is required. I don't see tithing or accepting callings from the bishop.

 

[mmksparbud]

OK---Moved these over from the other thread:

Frustrating indeed when again--Jesus is not really the ultimate focus, but, what is the interpretation of the whole of the bible according to JS, and it is frustrating to hear, Jesus---when the truth is JS. Jesus deals with, truth not just words, but the heart. JS does not save Jesus does, but not the Jesus of the mind of JS, but the Jesus of the bible. Not the God of the BOM, but the God the the Bible. The bible is the word of God, but the LDS hold the writings of JS on the same level as the bible and in fact it is above it, for if there is any question about anything in it, it is the writings of JS that take precedence. The words that the LDS say and the actual believes are not the same thing and that is very frustrating. It is not the same Gospel, it is not the same Jesus, it is not the same God the Father, it is not the same Holy Spirit, it is not the same salvation, it is not the same reward. It is very simple to say, Jesus is the way---but when it actually means JS is the way---there isn't going to be a clear understanding of Jesus. If a lie is not faced, and seen for what it is, it can only be believed.

It is frustrating when you're trying to talk about the most important thing in your life- the vary core of who you are, and having another person refuse to talk about it and totally ignore you in favor of something else.

But seemingly very few people on here want to talk about Christ. They'd rather talk about subjects of way lesser importance.

OK:
Our Christ is not a brother to Satan, He created Lucifer--our Christ is not one of God's sons, He is The Only Son of God. Our Christ did not have His Father as a human who became a man---Nor does our Christ have a heavenly mother. Our Christ was not conceived by natural means but by the Holy Spirit---
Our Christ created this world and EVERYTHING ELSE---Our Christ created us to be fruitful and multiply in the garden of Eden before the fall and we do not see the fall as a favor done us so we can have children---our Christ did not create us with a heavenly mother --He created us from dust and we never existed before we were born. Our Christ is giving us eternal life--with Him on this one earth with God the Father for everyone--Our Christ says there is no marriage in heaven.
Now---our Christ comes strictly from the bible which does not include any of these things----so where does your Christ come from?

"My" Christ is the Son of God. Eternal and almighty, the Only Begotten. He created the Earth and all things in it. He redeemed the Earth and all people in it, through His sacrifice. He offers salvation to all whom would accept Him and believe on His name. He not the Father. Rather He one with the Father, and bows down to Him out of love and respect.

The Father is the Father of all. There is no other. He is almighty and all-knowing. Nothing in this world has not gone according to His great plan and never has He had to say "go well some other person messed me up, guess I got to go get a Plan B now".

 

[mmksparbud]

"My" Christ is the Son of God. Eternal and almighty, the Only Begotten. He created the Earth and all things in it. He redeemed the Earth and all people in it, through His sacrifice. He offers salvation to all whom would accept Him and believe on His name. He not the Father. Rather He one with the Father, and bows down to Him out of love and respect.

The Father is the Father of all. There is no other. He is almighty and all-knowing. Nothing in this world has not gone according to His great plan and never has He had to say "go well some other person messed me up, guess I got to go get a Plan B now".

Great!! We know that!---Now---what about the rest of what was mentioned that was ignored??