I can only imagine the quasar related conspiracy theories from the long-forgotten Dunderbolts site, following that JWST series of images!
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I can only imagine the quasar related conspiracy theories from the long-forgotten Dunderbolts site, following that JWST series of images!Now this is impressive.
The image in the top left hand corner is the Hubble image of the quasar with the sensationally catchy name of SDSS J165202.64+172852.3 which is insignificant in appearance when compared to the Webb images.
The Webb images show the Doppler shifted gas from the galaxy cluster with a doubly ionized oxygen component which was mistaken by scientists from the late 19th to early 20th century as the mysterious element Nebulium.
Motions of Gas Around an Extremely Red Quasar (NIRSpec IFU)
The Dunderbolters have been at it boldly proclaiming JWST has confirmed the electric universe.I can only imagine the quasar related conspiracy theories from the long-forgotten Dunderbolts site, following that JWST series of images!
Ahh .. you're just bein' 'one of those ol' fogies', (12:55 min mark), clingin' to yer ol' beliefs .. because the 'standard cosmology model is 100% outdated', (13:09 min mark) .. I mean between 'experiments in the lab' and 'JWST photographs confirming' what we believe about 99.99% plasma throughout the universe and the 'universe being electric' ..The Dunderbolters have been at it boldly proclaiming JWST has confirmed the electric universe.
Look at the following video at your own peril.
An important clue can be gathered about the Dunderbolter's thought processes.Ahh .. you're just bein' 'one of those ol' fogies', (12:55 min mark), clingin' to yer ol' beliefs .. because the 'standard cosmology model is 100% outdated', (13:09 min mark) .. I mean between 'experiments in the lab' and 'JWST photographs confirming' what we believe about 99.99% plasma throughout the universe and the 'universe being electric' ..
I mean, what hope is left there for all us 'ol' fogies'??
An important clue can be gathered about the Dunderbolter's thought processes.
Around the 5.45 mark, Dunderbolter's will have time to marinate over the image in The Astrophysical Journal while the rest of us normal thinking individuals will ruminate over it.
This shows the suspicious nature of the Dunderbolters that everything in mainstream science is cooked up perhaps even marinated.
Incidentally as far as astrophysicists being clueless and having to make up the mechanism behind the image, here is the mainstream explanation from the 6.30 mark in the video.
One of the reasons JWST have made their raw image data available to the public is to give talented amateur astrophotograhpers such as Judy Schmidt the opportunity to process and extract maximum detail from the data as was done for this image.
Yes .. think this one appeared earlier in this thread .. Far simpler and way more credible explanation than some mysterious double layer forming for no reason .. (other than the opportunity to create bunch of scams).An important clue can be gathered about the Dunderbolter's thought processes.
Around the 5.45 mark, Dunderbolter's will have time to marinate over the image in The Astrophysical Journal while the rest of us normal thinking individuals will ruminate over it.
This shows the suspicious nature of the Dunderbolters that everything in mainstream science is cooked up perhaps even marinated.
Incidentally as far as astrophysicists being clueless and having to make up the mechanism behind the image, here is the mainstream explanation from the 6.30 mark in the video.
What a nice clip/interview! No flashiness .. and no motivations other than just curiosity and the joy of exploration. Likeable person .. There's other amazing images she's produced there that have raised my interest (for what's that worth).sjastro said:One of the reasons JWST have made their raw image data available to the public is to give talented amateur astrophotograhpers such as Judy Schmidt the opportunity to process and extract maximum detail from the data as was done for this image.
Astrophysicists using the image and their own data were able to determine the mechanism.
Query: 'embargo-obsessed'?.. (Publishing in the embargo-obsessed Nature is also part of the problem they bought upon themselves.)
.. A man who's singularly responsible for over moderation, to the point of extinction, of certain inherited web forums .. I'm definitely not a fan of his, (FWIW) (.. But that's another story .. back to JWST).Which is why Frasier Cain ..
Query: 'embargo-obsessed'?
What's the background there?
Hmm .. thanks for that! Interesting .. A 'reveal' on the commercial aspects of science (including Astronomy).In this case I specifically mean a press embargo, but the similar notion of a proprietary data period also applies and gets into conflict with the publication related embargo.
In many areas where news is generated at pre-announced events (government policy announcements, new product anouncements, legal notices, etc.) journalists who can be trusted are given "heads-up" with some preliminary information so they can prepare articles ahead of time if they agree to an embargo (withholding) of the publication until the announcement is made.
In science, this usually means that there should be no press until the paper is officially published. "Fancy" journals like Nature, like to hit the media with a blitz on publication day with articles in many publications so they use press embargos to allow science journalists to prepare articles for the release date. (If you ever see a phrase like "published today in the [science journal]" a press embargo was almost certainly involved.) Nature is notoriously tight about these things and not only prohibits authors from distributing preprints and university press releases, but has often prevented partial presentation in scientific talks at conferences, etc.
Working against the authors of the paper about WR140 rings is that their data was taken as part of the Early Release science program, so it has no proprietary period of the kind often used to allow the researchers who proposed an observation to analyze the data before it is available publicly (as all HST/JWST data is after a modest delay). So while they were writing their paper on the data and having it reviewed by Nature and put through the publication process anyone who knew the data archive system could download the raw observations and process it themselves. If they'd chosen a less restrictive journal (like the ApJ) they could have posted it to the arXiv on Aug 20 (when the submitted) or on Sept 21 (when it was accepted) like normal people.
This probably represents a disconnect between NASA's citizen science of which Judy Schmidt is a participant and the press embargo procedures employed by journals such as Nature.She is quite talented, but I am under the impression that the astronomers who obtained the JWST image were a little annoyed that her image gained traction before they had their full explanation ready to publish. (Publishing in the embargo-obsessed Nature is also part of the problem they bought upon themselves.) This allowed the hack pop-sci journalists to smother "unexplained" all over their articles. (You couldn't stop pseudoscience grifters like the TB crowd, though.)
The cat was out of the bag when the investigative journalists found that major observatories around the planet had torn up their observing schedules and were concentrating on the galaxy NGC 4993.J[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Craig_Wheeler']. Craig Wheeler[/URL] said:New LIGO. Source with optical counterpart. Blow your sox off!"
This probably represents a disconnect between NASA's citizen science of which Judy Schmidt is a participant and the press embargo procedures employed by journals such as Nature.
NASA are under no obligations for Nature's press embargos and use Judy Schmidt's images as a public relations exercise.
LIGO were also into press embargos.
In 2017 I sent an E-mail to Christopher Berry from LIGO about rumors circulating on the Internet about a major gravitational wave discovery (this was not the first discovery in 2016).
The cat was out of the bag when the investigative journalists found that major observatories around the planet had torn up their observing schedules and were concentrating on the galaxy NGC 4993.
Christopher Berry did not reply until the formal announcement of GW170817 a gravitational wave with an optical component emanating from the galaxy NGC 4993.
Scientists were subject to a press blackout but not all conformed such as Messrs. Wheeler and Co and LIGO's special day of announcing the discovery was very much diluted.
Hmm .. thanks for that! Interesting .. A 'reveal' on the commercial aspects of science (including Astronomy).
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