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Yeah, the numbers were dropping when vaccinations were increasingly given so any incidental use of ivermectin can't be proven in any way.
 
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As far as I can tell that entire paper touts Ivermectin as a wonder drug due to its sole function as an antiparasitic. I am tired and may have missed it, but please quote anywhere in that article that indicates it should be used for anything except parasites.
 
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One side has a huge level of state coercion to be injected with something that has no long term trials data, and massive profits to be made from tax payers.

Where are the long term trials for Ivermectin being used against covid?


But your side isn't even arguing for that. You're arguing that it should be handed out in place of the vaccine.
 
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I think there is in-vitro evidence that Ivermectin has some measurable effect on the SARS-CoV/2 virus, which is how the whole thing got started. However the dosage levels in these in-vitro tests were above the levels that would be safe to use in human bodies, which is why clinical trials are needed. And indeed clinical trials are being conducted (at a safe dose). But there have been no results from those trials yet. One thing we can say is that if there is a beneficial effect, it is small. Otherwise it would have shown up much earlier in these trials.
 
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As far as I know governments haven't made Ivermectin illegal.

Ivermectin isn't promoted by governments or health officials or non far right media because it is an anti-parasitic drug which hasn't been proven to work on viruses.
Ivermectin isn't purchased in bulk by governments and distributed out to the population because we are in the middle of a Coronavirus pandemic not a worm parasite pandemic.

Going by your logic the USA government should be obligated to buy HCQ, Ivermectin, Sleeping pillow, disenfectant, light and put all their efforts into distributing these out to every man, woman and child in USA and give them the choice to take whatever they want or throw them out.
 
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Where are the long term trials for Ivermectin being used against covid?
Safety trials are not required for Ivermectin. It is well tolerated, relatively risk free, and has been used safely in humans for around 30-40 years. If it doesn't work, it's unlikely to harm anyone. And it costs next to nothing, so it makes sense to make it available to anyone who wants to try it.

But your side isn't even arguing for that. You're arguing that it should be handed out in place of the vaccine.
No. I'm pro-choice. I believe people should be able to choose, and give informed consent. I don't mind if people want to try the covid vaccines, Ivermectin, or neither. That's what bodily autonomy means.

What I don't want is mandatory medical treatment using products that have no long term data. If there's no long term data, it means it's an experimental treatment. And coercing people into medical experiments is banned under the Nuremberg Code.
 
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More people need to read this, because it exposes how easy the PCR test is to manipulate. I suspect that inappropriately high cycle numbers for PCR tests is how health authorities were able to push the bogus concept of asymptomatic infection.

Hmm, haven't seen this sort of covid denialism before. I wonder if it is a sign that anti-vaxx messaging about the dangers or effectiveness is losing, so there's a need to retreat to the idea that covid isn't a problem.

Sadly the inventor of the PCR test died not long before COVID kicked off. I've no doubt that he would have condemned the way that his test was used and abused.

The dead rarely complain when people put words in their mouth.
 
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Hmm, haven't seen this sort of covid denialism before. I wonder if it is a sign that anti-vaxx messaging about the dangers or effectiveness is losing, so there's a need to retreat to the idea that covid isn't a problem.
I've never denied that COVID exists. I've never denied that COVID can make people seriously unwell. I've never denied that COVID can kill people. What I'm saying about the PCR test isn't COVID denialism, it's PCR test science and PCR test realism.

And I don't know why some people get so accusatory when someone posts some valuable information about the PCR test, and someone else comments on that information. It's almost as if they don't like being slapped in the face by scientific facts and reality.

The dead rarely complain when people put words in their mouth.
The inventor of the PCR test told people not to use it as a diagnostic tool in healthcare settings. There are videos showing him saying that. It's a fact.

Which particular study do you find convincing and why?
Why don't you read some of them yourself? Surely you want to know both sides of the argument, don't you?
 
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Yeah, the numbers were dropping when vaccinations were increasingly given so any incidental use of ivermectin can't be proven in any way.
But it is at least possible. That’s a pretty steep and immediate plummet. Even if the plummet is ultimately linked to something else, at least looking into the possibility that it was thanks to ivermectin seems reasonable.
 
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People are so hell-bent on parroting the media, experts, published data, and published stats in an effort to appear smart, with it, or rational that even if data appears which seems to point in one direction clearly, it can not be considered if it runs contrary to media-approved information.

It is weird, and I have never seen anything like this in my life. If you question anything, you are lumped in with those who deny the virus’ existence or lethality. The media has done such an amazing job of tuning our minds and beliefs, that objective thinking has been lost, and replaced with slurs, anger, and ridicule.

I just spoke last night with an otherwise very healthy teenage girl who just recovered from pneumonia. She was fully vaccinated. The tests came back negative for Covid twice, but her mother (a nurse) and I strongly believe that she actually had covid, and her mother acknowledged that there could be a push to keep the number of vaccinated covid cases officially low. This is a very rational woman who has carefully followed the media’s take on this and suggestions from day one, and her own experiences are now causing her to doubt the media a bit. I think it will take our own personal experiences to help us understand what is and is not going on here.
 
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But for there to be a direct link, shouldn’t cases have started plummeting starting when and as the vaccines began to be administered? I’m seeing a more likely connection between ivermectin and falling rates than vaccinations and falling rates. Not that vaccinations aren’t likely helping too, but the data looks more like ivermectin is the cause than vaccination, if we’re just comparing chart forms.
 
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Everything points towards money and profits.
Apart from the company that makes it stating clearly that it should NOT be used to treat Covid. How do you explain that?
 
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Apart from the company that makes it stating clearly that it should NOT be used to treat Covid. How do you explain that?
We've already been there.

 
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That's easy. It will never be banned because people suffering from dementia absolutely love ice cream. And as an added bonus, when they're busy licking an ice cream, they can't put their foot in their mouth.
Spoken with true Christian compassion.
 
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Compassion is not putting dementia sufferers in situations that may confuse and bewilder them.

I know a dementia suffer quite well. Making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with all the ingredients sitting in front of them confuses them. One of the recent ones ended with the peanut butter on the napkin instead of the bread. Simply being alive confuses and bewilders them.

What are you recommending?
 
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We've already been there.
That’s molnupiravir. What does that have to do with ivermectin? One’s an anti viral (possibly useful as it interferes with RNA replication) and one is for endo parasites (acknowledged by the formulators to be ineffective as it affects the ion channels in the cells of the endo parasite).

Did you read the article?
 
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What facts? The post I replied to was a fact-free guessing about problems that might or might not have happened in testing. No evidence of wrongdoing, no support for the FUD being spread, just baseless fear-mongering.

The inventor of the PCR test told people not to use it as a diagnostic tool in healthcare settings. There are videos showing him saying that. It's a fact.

Like I said, hard for the dead to correct people who misuse their words.

Why don't you read some of them yourself? Surely you want to know both sides of the argument, don't you?
Hey look, an attempt to shift the burden of proof. That's not a good sign.
 
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