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So I had a lovely conversation yesterday with someone I know. They had heard that I thought I was "raped" They felt that it was time to sit and talk with me and clear it up. We sat and discussed how all the events that lead up to that night were my fault. They showed me how when I flirted I gave the wrong signs and that I had no right to feel victimized. They told me that if I had acted different from the begining then things would have never gone to the point that it did. I even had a chance to give my side of the story.

I feel dirty and sick.. I hate myself, I was smarter than this and I should have done things completely different. I knew this guy and I should have never let him near me and now I have to live with what I did. I'm not stupid and I should have just let it drop and never brought it up after that night. I cant believe this... I just want it to all go away.
 

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Lucy,

Jesus forgave you, whatever your contribution was, so that neither He nor you need beat up on yourself ever again. Unless you decide to accept that you are going to give yourself an unnecessarily hard time until the day you die.

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I'm sorry but I completely disagree that what happened was your fault. You did not want to be raped, nor did you ask for it. You have the right to say no at any time.

it doesnt matter what your actions were or what led to rape... if you said no, it was rape. BUT the most important thing here is not about placing blame. It is about finding healing. I would not waste my time with whoever it was who sat down and talked to you. Obviously they do not have Christ's love, compassion and mercy in their life. If you were to sit down and chat with Jesus about it, there's no way he'd start throwing around blame. You need to find someone who will just understand, accept, and love you.

DON'T START DOUBTING YOURSELF!!! YOU know what happened, and so does God. That's what matters.

the enemy would love to condemn you, make you hate yourself and feel guilty. Honey, the truth is you need some proper loving, understanding support and counselling. Go to a christian counsellor or a pastor. Loving yourself and forgiving the past are the keys to a brighter future!
 
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The problem is that I never stopped doubting myself. And when you have someone that pratically helped raise you and you used to look up to them, tell you that you are wrong its hard to swallow. Everytime I seem to forgive myself someone comes along to destroy what I have accomplished. I just wish it would all end, I'm tired of it.
 
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WHAT??>.......ohh right i see,you pulled a gun on the guy then told him to rape you or else you would blow his brains out,all cleared up now......*SIGH*

first up for all females you could be dressed as a stripper or bunny girl,dance seductivly around me in a room in my house on our own and the worse i would do to you is smack your butt for acting silly

second up you could dress for work soberly with no flesh showing,giving no men any looks of any description and find yourself cornered on that walk to work and abused by a man unbeknown to you although he has been watching you for a while


rapists are born rapists unless they come from an abused background,i firmly believe that satan uses mens lusts to trigger attacks on defenceless women,the men are sexualy starved so its easy for lucifer to tempt them so stop blaming yourselves because its not your faults

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I think that person was COMPLETLY wrong!!! I agree with njcl. You didnt pull a gun or have a bomb or anything like that. Im sure the guy didnt ask you if he could rape you and you said yes. So that makes it completly his fault. I will be praying for you. Godspeed!
 
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lucybee said:
So I had a lovely conversation yesterday with someone I know. They had heard that I thought I was "raped" They felt that it was time to sit and talk with me and clear it up. We sat and discussed how all the events that lead up to that night were my fault. They showed me how when I flirted I gave the wrong signs and that I had no right to feel victimized. They told me that if I had acted different from the begining then things would have never gone to the point that it did. I even had a chance to give my side of the story.

I feel dirty and sick.. I hate myself, I was smarter than this and I should have done things completely different. I knew this guy and I should have never let him near me and now I have to live with what I did. I'm not stupid and I should have just let it drop and never brought it up after that night. I cant believe this... I just want it to all go away.

But did you or whoever you talked ever considered the possibility that he would've raped you anyways? It doesn't take much to get someone all over you. words and conversations aren't the only thing that tempt men into raping. You could shake hands in a friendly, non-sensual way and still tempt him and have a friendly, innocent conversation and still get raped. Even the least beautiful are likely to get raped, because some men veiw beauty uniquely than others... and sometimes let that subdue them into lust... desperation... and an uncontrollable sexual desire... selfish sexual desires. They let that overcome their ability to consider the damage they are doing to others, much less will they see the burden they put on themselves. Sure you shouldn't have been flirting with him, but he had a choice to either ignore you or at least the flirty part of you... or let himself be subdued by mere words. He probably wasn't even listening to what you were flirting sbout... he might've been staring at your breast... i mean it's possible that he was tempted by something else about you that would still have gotten him to rape you... even if you had not flirted with him or made contact with him at all. In other words... it wasn't your fault. It wasn't your fault he chose to let temptation control him. It wasn't your fault he let himself be overcomed by flirts. He chose to rape you no matter what the cause was. And he had a choice to just walk away. You didn't know he would do this and he shouldn't have done it anyways... no matter what signs you give him or he thought you gave him, that doesn't give him the rights to rape you. You never asked him to rape him and you never meant to give him the wrong sign. We all interpret things differently... we can't control how people interpret "signs"... for one person, the middle finger is a finger of love, for another, it cusses. You can give sign that you do want to be raped (Which I'm sure you'd never do) but a man might think you want him to stay away or not give a sign at all and a nearby rapist can atill recieve the "signal" from just looking at you. You can't control that... you can only control your signals and your intentions of these signs... but you cannot control how others interpret them or how they react to them... that's up to them, not you. I'm pretty sure that when you did flirted with this guy, you never intended to tempt him nor did you think you would. The rape was unexpected, right? You didn't know that would happen, because I'm pretty sure that before that, you've iether never flirted before or didn't get the same result from previous guys. So therefore, it wasn't your fault, it was his, who had no business raping you or anyone no matter the occasion, reason, etc. in the first place. i love you. God bless, Shalom.
 
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lucybee said:
The problem is that I never stopped doubting myself. And when you have someone that pratically helped raise you and you used to look up to them, tell you that you are wrong its hard to swallow. Everytime I seem to forgive myself someone comes along to destroy what I have accomplished. I just wish it would all end, I'm tired of it.

Beloved one
Look only to Yeshuah. Humans are well meaning but limited. Yeshuah loves you, and forgives anything that you might have done that is wrong in itself. Now I say that in that particular because what ever you might have done that Yeshuah would not want you to do, e.g. excessive flirting or the like IS NOT the justification for rape. Beloved, I am speaking from my own experience. My testimony can be found in a deeper fellowship, longing for God. Feel free to write me anytime.
I will be praying for you
 
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lucybee said:
So I had a lovely conversation yesterday with someone I know. They had heard that I thought I was "raped" They felt that it was time to sit and talk with me and clear it up. We sat and discussed how all the events that lead up to that night were my fault. They showed me how when I flirted I gave the wrong signs and that I had no right to feel victimized. They told me that if I had acted different from the begining then things would have never gone to the point that it did. I even had a chance to give my side of the story.

I feel dirty and sick.. I hate myself, I was smarter than this and I should have done things completely different. I knew this guy and I should have never let him near me and now I have to live with what I did. I'm not stupid and I should have just let it drop and never brought it up after that night. I cant believe this... I just want it to all go away.

Lucy,

I do not know the details of your encounter, but I do know that no matter what you said or did prior to a sexual experience, if you said "NO," or "don't," or anything else to indicate that in that one instant you did NOT want sex, you are NOT to blame.
 
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Thanks guys, yall are truly amazing. I was just going through a very stressful time and got hit with that conversation. I will try to stop posting the same problem over and over. I realize that I need to get over it. I will take responsibility for what I need to, i.e. my actions that were not as a Christians should be. But I did say no, and though it will take me time I will forgive myself. I said no and he did not listen.

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"They had heard that I thought I was "raped" They felt that it was time to sit and talk with me and clear it up. We sat and discussed how all the events that lead up to that night were my fault. They showed me how when I flirted I gave the wrong signs and that I had no right to feel victimized. They told me that if I had acted different from the begining then things would have never gone to the point that it did. I even had a chance to give my side of the story"

Oh my Golly Gee! It is NOT your fault. Everyone has flirted... So, we should all be raped? God gave us sexuality, he know about the attraction between boys and girls. Healthy flirting is part of the "dance".

Even if you kissed and it became passionate, you have the RIGHT to say "NO".

Listen, it seems you have had bad counseling from your friend. The victum is not to blame. I don't care if you were in a mini-skirt and offered to depants him, you still have the right to say, "No, This is going in a direction I do not want to go..."

And HE needs to honor that.
 
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lucybee said:
So I had a lovely conversation yesterday with someone I know. They had heard that I thought I was "raped" They felt that it was time to sit and talk with me and clear it up. We sat and discussed how all the events that lead up to that night were my fault. They showed me how when I flirted I gave the wrong signs and that I had no right to feel victimized. They told me that if I had acted different from the begining then things would have never gone to the point that it did. I even had a chance to give my side of the story.

I feel dirty and sick.. I hate myself, I was smarter than this and I should have done things completely different. I knew this guy and I should have never let him near me and now I have to live with what I did. I'm not stupid and I should have just let it drop and never brought it up after that night. I cant believe this... I just want it to all go away.

absolute rot.
there is NO EXCUSE for rape and sexual assault. To say so is a slight against women and an excuse for men to behave like criminals. I'm disgusted that someone has told you what they have.
You poor thing.
 
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How could it be your fault? Rape is sexually assaulting someone against their will. You should not feel dirty or sick. The person who did this to you should.

I don't think you have anything to feel guilty for. As for flirting, I think everyone has flirted from time to time. I don't see any problem with harmless flirting.
 
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Lucy,

In all that you are working through consider:

No matter what your confusion, the God who created this world out of its darkness and emptiness makes Himself available to bring a new harmony into your life.

No matter how much you or others have put you down, Jesus is the One who became your inner torment in order to have God pronounce his total, unconditional approval of you.

You see yourself as stained. God sees you as someone made in His image, a person of incalculable value and infinite preciousness. Try accepting that.

John
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Lucybee, first of all I want to give you a huugggggeeee hug! (((((((LUCYBEE))))))):kiss:

Next. I want you to understand that IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT!!!! And you did absolutely nothing wrong. I would like to share the short version of my story, and perhaps you will understand why it is you are not at fault.

Shortly after I turned 18, my friends and I started to hang out at a local restaurant where there was an extremely good looking young server who always samed to be working when we came in to eat. We will call him Eric.

On slow nights, Eric would stop by the table for a few extra minutes, sometimes sliding into the booth with us. One night in particular, he was in the restaurant with some of his friends eating as well, and he came over and sat beside me, and took a photo of my friend with his new camera phone, and leaned in really close to show me. He was just an absolute dream. He was gorgeous, he was nice, and we had a million things in common it seemed. But I was the outcast, I wasnt as pretty as the girls I hung out with, and I knew I didnt stand a chance.

Over time, he started doing little extras for me, convincing me that I 'knew' this guy, and that he was really nice. Once I finally got to that point where I practically trusted him with my life, he asked me on a date one night when I was in the restuarant with my Daddy. Of course I said yes, and was gushing. It was fantastic, I never imagined that Eric would have ever liked me.

We wont bother going into the details of that night, but afterward, Eric told me how I had wanted this all along, that he knew I was a virgin, and he thought I was waiting, but I kept insisting. He told everyone we both knew how I was just an absolute 'sexual tiger.' My memory of that night is quite different (ie: pinned down to the bed, crying, in pain, asking him to stop, silently praying). And at first he had me convinced...

but I now understand how he had been setting me up the entire time. Out of the group of girls I hung out with, I had the least amount of self confidence, I was the most trusting. I had the brightest smile, and the most innocent eyes. I drank in every word that he told me. Every time he told me how pretty I was, or how he loved the color of my hair, I gushed.

I could blame myself, I was foolish to believe that he was really just going to have a shower before we went to grab some food, when he left me sitting on the computer I should have left. Of course, it could have helped if I had a vehicle, or was anywhere near my home. But it's not my fault. I know that. God knows that. Eric knows that. Sure, I liked Eric... A LOT... sure, I flirted with him. So what? That doesnt change the fact that he completely took advantage of me.

I believe that you need to talk to God. Honestly have a conversation with Him. Pray that He show you that this event is completely not your fault.

And whoever that is who told you it *is* your fault. If I knew who they were I would punch them right in the face. I really would. They are completely wrong. and I pity the fact that they would ever think of you in such a way.

Thankyou, I saw 'Eric' tonight on my way home from work and telling my story helped me deal with my emotions in a constructive fashion. Now matter how hard I pray, whenever I see him I always become upset. (I dont cry anymore. yay!) I hope it helped. Please understand how it's not your fault. PM me anytime if you need to. My prayers are with you.

We all love you here. And God loves you. And His love transcends all sin, all darkness, and all the shadows that have been forced on you.
:amen:

..Nena..
 
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They showed me how when I flirted I gave the wrong signs and that I had no right to feel victimized.

Probably already said but people flirt all the time does not mean you want to have sex! Men need to catch a clue!!!!!!!! I hate Men sometimes. GOod luck and god bless
 
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lucybee said:
So I had a lovely conversation yesterday with someone I know. They had heard that I thought I was "raped" They felt that it was time to sit and talk with me and clear it up. We sat and discussed how all the events that lead up to that night were my fault. They showed me how when I flirted I gave the wrong signs and that I had no right to feel victimized. They told me that if I had acted different from the begining then things would have never gone to the point that it did. I even had a chance to give my side of the story.

I feel dirty and sick.. I hate myself, I was smarter than this and I should have done things completely different. I knew this guy and I should have never let him near me and now I have to live with what I did. I'm not stupid and I should have just let it drop and never brought it up after that night. I cant believe this... I just want it to all go away.
Sweetheart ...
You're smarter than this is what you are.
Now, if when you went out that night you deliberately wore nothing but pheremones and a smile...
Nah,even then... Be logical... If you were so bad he wouldn't have wanted you... And, clearly, if you were so much in control you wouldn't be posting here?
Perhaps you need to look at things a bit more closely... It seems like you might be living in the fire and the pan.
 
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