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I'm sure the snideness is due to the world around crumbling.No, I didn't mean the House, where Republicans now have a majority. I mean the Senate, where Republicans have enough votes to prevent cloture. 47 Republican Senators is enough to stop all legislation.
As for principle over the lure of power? We'll see. I don't think you appreciate the level of anger at Washington politics as usual right now.
Posted by Nathan Poe:
"Depends on what happens between now and 2012."
Much of the reporting on Tuesday is already along the lines that the election was a failure for the Republican party and the Tea Party specifically. What do you suppose the reporting will be in 2012, regardless of what is or is not acomplished?
No, I didn't mean the House, where Republicans now have a majority. I mean the Senate, where Republicans have enough votes to prevent cloture. 47 Republican Senators is enough to stop all legislation.
As for principle over the lure of power? We'll see. I don't think you appreciate the level of anger at Washington politics as usual right now.
And Obama delivered. We see where that got him.
All hail the Party of No. Too bad they're being watched for the things they'll be doing, not the things they'll obstruct.
I think that level will skyrocket once the Tea Party supporters see their heroes as no different from the bums they tossed out.
The problem with using anger as a political tool is how quickly it can turn on you. The Tea Party's been manipulating anger towards the very same system that they've been trying to break into. It's only a matter of time before their supporters wise up.
And then who will all that anger be directed towards?
It will be directed at whoever is in Washington playing politics as usual at the time.
You understand, don't you, that the economic and cultrual system that we've prmitted to become reality is unsustainable? In not too many years no one here will have control over anything. The system will become unraveled in a hurry and we won't have choices. It's probably too late already to avoid this, but being an optimist, I hope we can.
Which now includes the Tea Party.
Of course I realize this, in fact, I think it's already too late to avoid it.
But the Tea Party politicians have vaulted into power by promising their base that it's not too late, and furthermore, that they can fix the system. That gives people hope that they can change the course of this country off its self-destructive rails.
And if we've learned anything from contemporary American politics, it's that when you promise the people "hope" and "change," God help you if you can't deliver.
You say that the anger will be directed towards the politicians in Washington (which, as I noted, now includes the Tea Partiers), but there is, let's call it, a hierarchy of rage. If the Tea Party fails to deliver (and it will), then their supporters are going to be feeling mighty betrayed by their own candidates.
And nobody earns more anger than a betrayer -- just ask the voters who felt betrayed by the Dems.
All hail the Party of No. Too bad they're being watched for the things they'll be doing, not the things they'll obstruct.
I think that level will skyrocket once the Tea Party supporters see their heroes as no different from the bums they tossed out.
The problem with using anger as a political tool is how quickly it can turn on you. The Tea Party's been manipulating anger towards the very same system that they've been trying to break into. It's only a matter of time before their supporters wise up.
And then who will all that anger be directed towards?
I can tell you who it will be aimed at. If President Obama starts vetoing all the bills that the Republicans manage to pass, they won't be able to get the votes to override the vetoes and will get very little passed.
The American people will remember that and kick the Republicans and Tea Party people out. The Republicans are already backpedaling on the Tea Party--after all, they are going to vote for raising the deficit limit--so the defiicit spending is going to continue to rise--they aren't going to spend less.
I don't get what's so difficult to understand
Huh...I just did? There is no single poll saying that the "GOP would retake the Senate", nor a single poll saying that they would retake the House. A summation of many polls from multiple seats leads, or doesn't lead, you to this conclusion. If the GOP had taken the three Senate seats I linked you, they would have had control of the Senate. The polls show that they should have taken those three seats (in the case of Delaware, if they'd run Castle).
I don't get what's so difficult to understand
And FYI, I don't "need" to be right. Whether the GOP had taken the Senate or not, nothing is going to be done, so it doesn't matter that much. The Republicans will obstruct Democratic legislation, and the Republicans will never overcome Presidential veto. So it's a stonewall either way. What does irritate me is people portraying this as the GOP ultimate victory when it quite clearly wasn't.
What's difficult to understand is that you think three races an election cycle make. There were at LEAST that many in which the polling was within the margin of error BEFORE the election. The armchair quarterbacking of the left is sour grapes.
Gee, "St", you get a lot of mileage out of that "angry conservative" meme you've adopted, but as the full quote shows Staccato was actually pulling for your (own) side.
If that's the way you treat "friends", to quote mine their posts so you can get in the last word, then all I can say is you are a heckova Tea Partier!
I simply disagree with what was said. As they say in New Jersey, "You gotta problem with that?"
Huffington Post said:Blue Dog Coalition Crushed By GOP Wave Election
Tuesday was a tough night for Democrats, as they watched Republicans win enough seats to take back the House in the next Congress and began to ponder life under a likely House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). But one group hit especially hard was the Blue Dog Coalition, with half of its members losing their seats.
According to an analysis by The Huffington Post, 23 of the 46 Blue Dogs up for re-election went down on Tuesday. Notable losses included Rep. Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin (D-S.D.), the coalition's co-chair for administration, and Rep. Baron Hill (D-Ind.), the co-chair for policy. Two members were running for higher office (both lost), three were retiring and three races were still too close to call.
The Blue Dogs, a coalition of moderate to conservative Democrats in the House, have consistently frustrated their more progressive colleagues and activists within the party. . . .
Gee, "St", you get a lot of mileage out of that "angry conservative" meme you've adopted, but as the full quote shows Staccato was actually pulling for your (own) side.
If that's the way you treat "friends", to quote mine their posts so you can get in the last word, then all I can say is you are a heckova Tea Partier!
Something like 70% of jobs are in small business.
I don't think Democrats would object to doing whatever it takes to get them going strong again.
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